Dumb question but confused

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by gunnovice09, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. gunnovice09

    gunnovice09 Nothing

    Just read something about some 65 to 70 half dollars being only 20 percent silver? Is this true or am I misunderstanding them?
     
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  3. They are 40% silver. TC
     
  4. gunnovice09

    gunnovice09 Nothing

    Just looked in the red book. I was confused when I read it was 20 percent silver internally.
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Beginning in 1965, the mint began producing Kennedy half dollars that contained only 40% silver. The outer layers contained a mix of 80% silver and 20% copper, while the inner core was composed of 20.9% silver and 79.1% copper, bringing the total silver content to about 40%.
     
  6. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Layers? Are 40% Kennedy halves clad?
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes.
     
  8. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    How come they didn't just make them out of a 40% silver alloy, instead of making them clad?
     
  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The problem was that the 64's were extensively hoarded, so the mint went to a silver-clad configuration. To my knowledge, it's the only US coin to have such a composition. But they were largely hoarded as well, so by 71, the half dollar went the way of copper-nickel clad.
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's a good question. I imagine an 80:20 clad makes for a better coin - more durable, and appearing more like silver than copper. I don't know how a 40:80 alloy would behave as a coin.
     
  11. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    The wartime silver nickels were made out of a 40% alloy.
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    56% copper, 35% silver and 9% manganese, to be exact. That's a completely different recipe. Alloys behave VERY differently, even with small tweaks.
     
  13. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    This is a 50% silver coin after it has circulated a few years:

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    South Africa 2 Shillings 1957

    A 40% silver coin would look worse.

    :)
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's what I was thinking. It would look like some sort of sickly, feeble copper, right from the get-go.
     
  15. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The likely reason for the 80% silver on the outside of the coin is that the US Mint did extensive testing on alloys or clad compositions in the years before the drop from 90% silver and their goal was to find metals or alloys that would wear well, strike up a design adequately, work such that the existing minting machinery would not be harmed and that had a look and feel combination that would allow the general public to accept the pieces as good money instead of counterfeit money. The combination chosen for the half dollars was most likely one of those options tested in the years prior to the switch and one that they thought was quite nice.
     
  16. GobrechtReich85

    GobrechtReich85 Active Member

    Yes, it was reduced to 40% due to the rising cost of silver.
     
  17. jensenbay

    jensenbay Well-Known Member

    35% not 40% for the wartime nickel iirc.
     
  18. chip

    chip Novice collector

    eh, just check out some of those 10% silver mexican pesos from the early 60s, they can look horrible
     
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