Dragon's or Ass's Head

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  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Just received this in the post today. Although I might be a little disappointed in the obverse, the reverse is quite interesting. However, what exactly is on the staff Dacia is holding? Research has not been very definitive of the nature of what exactly is on the top of the staff. This is a type that has been the subject of discussion for years. I'm using the traditional "ass's head description here. But an argument has also been made that the object is a dragon's head, or a dragon "roarer", a device tribes would use that served as both a standard, and a noise maker for battle. And really, why would Dacia have a staff with the head of an Ass? What is your opinion?
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    The coin came with an old handwritten envelope from Seaby coins and later sold in a lot on CNG as noted below.
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    TRAJAN DECIUS
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP C M Q TRAIANUS DECIVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    REVERSE: DACIA, Dacia standing left, holding draco standard or vertical staff surmounted by ass's head
    Struck at Rome, 249 AD
    4.39g, 22mm
    RIC 12b
    Ex CNG eAuction 328, Lot 761
    Ex. Seaby with handwritten envelope and tag
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Dragon. I believe it is deep-seated in Dacian/Romanian history. @seth77 would be a great person to ask his opinion.
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

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  5. dougsmit

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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Well, I guess the controversy is over---definitely Dacian-Draco!!

    As we all know only Democrats are asses...... and several buckets full of old bronze Roman coins:rolleyes:o_O:D
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I'm with the 'why on earth an ass's head?' camp. Nice pickup!

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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, sweet addition big-bro ...

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    D. Junius Brutus Albinus

    AR (Silver) Denarius
    Struck 48 BC => The year Caesar defeats Pompey at Pharsalus and becomes sole dictator of Rome, calling himself "Imperator"
    Rome Mint
    Diameter: 18mm
    Weight: 3.60 grams
    Obverse: Head of young Mars right, wearing a crested helmet
    Reverse: BRVTI F ALBINVS, two gallic trumpets (carnyces) in saltire, oval shield above, round shield below

    One footnote — the word "Gallic" relates to Gaul, the Roman name for France, and therefore means "French", and not a Scottish or Irish language

    The word “carnyx” is derived from the Gaulish root, "carn-" or "cern-" meaning "antler" or "horn," and the same root of the name of the god, Cernunnos (Delmarre, 1987 pp. 106–107). This is the name the Romans gave to the instrument. The original Celtic name is unknown. Even under torture, Carnyx players would not reveal the Celtic name of the instrument to the Romans

    Reference: Postumia 11; Cr450/1a; Syd 941

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnyx

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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am not sure the controversy is quite over. @chrsmat71 posited a RABBIT as the staff head...and I distinctly recall KILLER RABBITS from Monty Python.
     
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  10. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Don't you hate it when you are ambushed in the middle of the night and have to fight in your pyjamas? :mad:
     
  11. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I remember an episode of Time Team where they attempted to reproduce one of these draco standards. It was a fun episode, and it would have scared the bejazzers out of the natives.
     
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