Double Tournois finally attributed

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by cmezner, Jul 3, 2023.

  1. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Even though I mostly collect ancients, I got this coin from HJB pick-bin.

    I was almost giving up attributing it, and thought why didn't I just stay with ancients... but then, after many hours of internet browsing, I found at CT this thread from 2006 "Identify this coin?" at https://www.cointalk.com/threads/identify-this-coin.20077/#post-178093:~:text=Identify this coin??

    Haven't weighted or measured it yet but it is about 20 mm and 2 g.
    Don't know which type this coin is, but that is a minor detail I think
    Thank you CT.

    Frédéric-Henri de Nassau, Principality of Orange (Arausio, Orasica), France, 1640-1642
    Dy féodales 2181 or 2182; CGKL 778 (type4) or 780 (type 5) (subtype b); KM 59

    Obv.: FRED•HENR•D•G•PRI•A (subtype b) Large bust of the prince to right, cuirassed. The bust cuts the legend at the bottom; off flan dots under the bust (2, 3 or 4).
    Rev.: Three clovers imitating fleur-de-lis

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    Please share your double and dernier tournois or anything relevant.
     
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  3. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Wow, nice find! Here's a 25 cent bin pickup from a few years ago. If not for the
    "SED" on the reverse around 7:00, I probably never could have IDed it.

    Principality of Sedan, Double Tournois, 1634-38, Frédéric-Maurice
    Sedan Double Tournois 1634-38.jpeg
     
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  4. cmezner

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    Nice find yours as well, and 25 cents a real bargain! :cool:

    While I was trying to attribute the Orange coin I found this book on the web:
    Frank Higgins “An introduction to the copper coins of modern Europe”, London, 1892.

    He says: "It has been noted that the little Doubles and Deniers Tournois were not only minted by the Kings themselves in France, but imitated by princely vassals and the governors of distant provinces. The general appearance of the original coin is always preserved, and in most cases the reverse type with the fleur-de-lis is unaltered" that's when I stopped looking for Louis XIII etc and started looking for princes of provinces.
     
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