Double Struck Julius Caesar (?)

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  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Looks neat. If it's fake, it's a good enough fake for me not to know any better. (Not that that's saying much.) The elephant is a bit strange-looking and crude, but for all I know, that could be a characteristic of some of the originals. I've never had one of this type, and have only examined one in hand briefly at a show.

    Anyone who would think of bidding should proceed with caution, of course, but I'll be interested to hear what those with more knowledge have to say about this one. The seller is totally unfamiliar to me.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think a creative forger took a bad fake and tried to make it less detectable by striking it multiple times (or by pressing it in a mold a couple of times, if cast).

    If someone has the time and desire, I wonder if a single-struck version can be found in any of the forgery databases.

    For ease of searching, here are the conjoined images with rotation changed to better visualize the elements.

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  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I tend to agree with TIF. That's the most bizarre depiction of a JC elephant that I have yet seen.....
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Hmm... so maybe my idiot's intuition about the elephant had some substance, after all.
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

  10. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    It's certainly wild. I don't see how it can be authentic, since a second strike strong enough to leave a clear elephant and priestly implements would have all but obliterated the first one. I think I would buy it for the right price, but that price would have to be very low, indeed.
     
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  11. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Once the price went past 50GBP it was already more than I was prepared to 'gamble'. (I dropped out at 25GBP.)
     
  12. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    That coin is easily worth $1 if it's real silver and free shipping.
     
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  13. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Coin sold for US$183.68
     
  14. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    About $175 more than I would have paid.
     
  15. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    I can understand buying a replica for a few bucks as a place holder. I think the OP coin is just plain ugly.
    FWIW, here is a genuine flip-over double strike. Unlike the OP coin, the style, fabric and wear on this piece all point to a genuine ancient. JulCaesFlip.jpg
     
  16. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Not to mention how the second strike obliterated most or all of the detail where the dies hit.
     
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  17. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

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  18. Nemo

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  19. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

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