Double buy, Diocletian and Maximianus

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  1. Dobbin

    Dobbin Active Member

    I bid on and won both of these (running at the same time from the same seller) as it seemed fitting to keep the pair together, especially with the same GENIO POPVLI ROMANI reverse. These aren't the greatest images yet as I just opened them up for a look before sitting down to dinner.

    IMP C DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG on left, IMP CMA MAXIMIMANVS PF AVG on right
    Dio and Max obverse.jpg Dio and Max reverse.jpg

    Thank you for indulging my modest pride.
     
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  3. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Another goal worthy of consideration would be to add a follis of Galerius & Constantius I, that would complete an example of each member of the original Tetrarchy ;). Just food for thought :happy:.....
     
  4. Dobbin

    Dobbin Active Member

    Yup its already on the radar. Constantius I will also further my Constantinian Dynasty set.
     
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  5. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Well centered strikes with clear legends - nice buys!
     
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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..great pair!....2 of the 1st tet plus 2 3rd century emperors :)
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Just my opinion: Anyone who has a pair of folles like these could justify getting a similar pair of pre-reform antoniniani from these same men and, if you want eight coins altogether, their Caesars. Now your opinion: Do these two coins strike you as a close match or do you see something important other that the ruler that differs?
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here are the pair from the mint at Trier but not the same issue:

    Diocletian GENIO POPVLI ROMANI follis Trier.jpg
    Diocletian, AD 284-305.
    Roman billon follis, 8.99 g, 28.3 mm, 6 h.
    Trier, AD 302-303.
    Obv: IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG, Laureate and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius, turreted, nude but for chlamys draped over left shoulder, standing left, holding patera in right hand and cornucopiae in left hand; S/F//IITR.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 196, 524a; RCV --.
    Notes: Some have suggested the S F in the fields is an abbreviation for SAECVLI FELICITAS.

    Maximian GENIO POPVLI ROMANI follis Trier.jpg
    Maximian, 1st Reign, AD 286-305.
    Roman billon follis, 10.96 g, 27.2 mm, 12 h.
    Trier, AD 298-99.
    Obv: IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, laureate head, right.
    Rev: GENIO POP-VLI ROMANI, Genius, wearing modius, nude but for chlamys draped over left shoulder, standing left, holding patera in right hand and cornucopiae in left hand; A/*//TR.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 186, 277b.
    Notes: Typically, the reverse legend is broken GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI.
     
  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    One could even add some post-reform radiates (see below).

    As to your question, I won't spoil the fun for others by giving a full answer, but a small hint might be appropriate: look closely at what the figures on Doug's coins are holding.

    Rom – Diokletian, Antoninian, Concordia Militum.png
    Diocletian, Roman Empire, AE post-reform radiate, 295–299 AD, Cyzicus mint. Obv: IMP CC VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG; radiate, draped, cuirassed bust of Diocletian r. Rev: CONCORDIA MILITVM; Jupiter standing l. and holding sceptre presents Victory to emperor standing r.; between them, mintmark KΓ. 22mm, 3.2g. RIC VI Cyzicus 15a.

    Rom – Maximianus, Antoninian, Concordia militum.png
    Maximian, Roman Empire, AE post-reform radiate, 295–298 AD, Heraclea mint. Obv: IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS PF AVG; radiate, draped, cuirassed bust of Maximian r. Rev: CONCORDIA MILITVM; Jupiter standing l. and holding sceptre presents Victory to emperor standing r.; between them, HΓ. 21mm, 2.79g. RIC VI Heraclea 14 or 22.
     
  11. Dobbin

    Dobbin Active Member

    Sure, one is holding a sceptre and the other is holding a cricket bat!
     
  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Congratulations and your acquisitions.

    There are other GENIO reverses from this era, too, such as GENIO CAESARIS, GENIO IMPERATORI, GENIO AVGVSTI, along with some obscure ones like (I think) GENIO EXERCITVS, and BONO GENIO IMPERATORI. It might be fun to put together a tetrachic GENIO collection.
     
  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The argenteus coins with the four leaders around the altar provides interesting symbolism, but getting all four of them in that format gets expensive.

    Diocletian

    Diocletian AG.jpg

    Maximian

    Maximian AG.jpg

    I have found Constantius to be hardest to find in general. Is that true, or have I not looked in the right spots yet?
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats, @Dobbin . Nice captures!

    DIOCLETIAN
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    RI Diocletian 284-305 CE AE Folles VOT XX


    MAXIMIAN
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    RI MAXIMIANUS HERCULIUS 286-305 CE antoninianus Antioch 292-295 CE CONCORDIA MILITVM Jupiter H-officina 8
     
  15. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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