..but, I'm revisiting zekeguzz's post from last year that seemed to be left open-ended. I, too, seem to have wide AM on a Roosevelt. (I know the term applies to Lincoln's, but what else do you call it?). This one is an '89P and I have compared this to many other '89P's in my collection and this is the only one like it. I know foundinrolls was doing a study or some research, so I'm hoping he wll update us with anything he has found.
I'm still working on it with someone else. I am convinced that these things exist. Since the cat is coming out of the bag. I've heard of them and we are working on this with coins dated 1991 D. The lettering and the orientation of the flames on the torch is different. There are two reverse types involved but no one seems to be working with dimes much so what i am doing is going slowly. Bill
Have you isolated it to a couple/few years? The post from last year was '90D, I think. Now you mention '91D. Have you found any on the '89P like mine? Is there anything I can do to help in the research?
I've only found it on 1991 D dimes, but it seems that there is a range including 1989, 1990 and 1991. I haven't figured out what might be out there from each mint. Keep in mind that like some of the "wide AM" cents that are posted, that some are also a result of die abrasion having an effect on the lower right part of the A and the lower left part of the M. So if you start looking for these, pay close attention to die abrasion marks. Have Fun, Bill
Unfortunately, this is the only one I have found and it is worn, dirty, and also has a die clash! I guess I haven't studied close enough to determine if there is a difference in the torch orientation. Does the torch in my pic look consistent with what you have found so far? And how many specimans would you say you have?
If you'd like I can send this to you for your studies. I'm too new at this to diagnose abrasion and other things like that, but I would certainly loan it to you to clean up, photograph, or whatever. (I way too new to attempt conservation). I want to practice on some road kill awhile first.
I generally don't like to have people send me "one of a kind" examples of a coin Hang on to it and as I keep going through coins, I will eventually find others. Thanks for the offer though. Bill PS: your coin shows some evidence of having been struck by a worn die but your dime definitely has a space between the A and M and the torch seems to match up to what i see on the 1991 D dimes that I have here.
I appreciate your honesty. I'll hang on to it, keep my eyes open for more, and anxiously wait for your findings.
Well, it would not be "out of the question" at all if the mint used proof dies for buisness strikes. They did through out history with dozens of other coins. The one thing I would like to say regarding the Wide AM's on Lincolns is not the space so much as the height of the "A" and "M" - there are many polished out reverses that appear, at first glance to have wide AM's. There is a 2000-D that has a space almost as wide but what it does not have is the "tall "A" & "M". My advice is to look for the "relief of the letters more than the space". It's the tall letters that tell the tale!
To add to what bhp3rd mentioned, The spacing of the AME is different on the Wide AM cents vs. the Close AM cents. On a Wide AM, the bottoms of the A, M, and E are pretty evenly spaced. On a Close AM, there is a bigger space between the M and the E
Have several 91D that show what your talking about. Maybe 7 of them? torch, spacing height of eltters, striking etc. all are same as your "wide am" a new variety you think or just an error? Havent seen it on any other dime year yet.
I know there about 3 new book out now ,but not a 1 about Roosevelt Dimes.that why I call it the forgotten:vanish: coin
I just went through another thousand dimes last night and none of them looked like the pic above, including some '91D's that seem to be the majority being reported over other years/mintmarks. foundinrolls, can you tell me what you are seeing in the torch orientation?
I recommend talking to Ken Potter. He's a pretty good guy, and very interested in this type of stuff.
