Does this look like a Double Eye to you?

Check it out. Cherry picking via the world wide web. I haven't gotten it yet. From the picture, does it look like it to you?

 

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yes it does look like it, but I would like to see a better pic' before I say for sure.

Speedy

 

Thanks. The second opinion is welcome. I want better pix too, but asking for them is perilous when you're cherry picking over the net. I think I see really good doubling in the "R" in "trust". They are supposed to send me that exact coin which I have already paid for. If I don't get it, there will be hell to pay.

The irony is that I was looking for just this error...really hope this pans out. Still need the doubled monticello and a couple of the overmintmarks.

Steve

 

I am gonna have to say no to this one. The doubling of the eye is very evident even on circulated examples. Typically, if you have to ask, then the coin is not a "doubled eye" variety 1943-P nickel. Here are two closeup photos of the doubling of the eye.



Notice that your example does not have the clear doubling of the eye that these two coins exhibit. Furthermore, there should be clear doubling of both the word Liberty and the date. Here is a closeup photo:



From the photo you posted, I just don't see the diagnostics to declare the coin a "double eye" variety nickel. But keep on looking and I am sure you will find one sooner or later.

 

Hi,

I lean towards Lehigh96's analysis. It does not look like a doubled eye to me either.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I don't know guys - while I agree that Lehigh pic's show a much more noticable eye, I am also looking at one of these in hand in about the same grade as the OP's coin. The eye looks much the same, and it seems to match up.

and before ya'll say that my coin is bad, nope...I know that it is a double eye for sure.

I'll be interested in seeing more pic's when he has it in hand!

Speedy

 

I agree with Lehigh too

 

There is something definately happening with the eye. I've gotta stay at 50/50 until/if better pics are available...

 

Thats where I am at. I'm somewhere in the 80/20 camp because the lettering really looks doubled on the left side of the coin (like in "trust") and yeah...I do see something going on in the eye location, but its so hard to tell because that section is a little out of focus.

Let me see if I can provide a better image of just the left side of the coin. I'm paranoid I'll tip off the seller and they'll reneg, but this is only a $50 coin.

edit: Ok, here's what I think is a better photo, and a link to it

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/stevereecy/doubleeyequestion-1.jpg



Like I say, the doubling on the left side is really pronounced in the lettering, but I don't know if all of this variety, or some of this variety, even have that. I promise to post pix when I get the coin.

Steve

 

Steve,

What I am trying to convey to you is that the doubling of the eye on this variety is extremely strong. So strong in fact that it should be obvious to the naked eye. You state that you see something going on in the eye location but can't tell. If this were a true "doubled eye" you would see it clearly. From the photo, your coin appears to be in the VF-XF range. Here is a photo of the eye of a PCGS graded AU50 "doubled eye" variety Jefferson.



Notice how prominent the doubling of the eye is even in a circulated grade. It would stand to reason that the evidence of doubling would still be very obvious even in the VF range IMO.

 

The 2nd pic' doesn't look nearly like it as much as the first -

Speedy

 

Did this obverse die run its entire coarse or was it replaced because of the obvious doubling? I ask because I'm wondering about very late stage strikes. If there were any would the "eye" be as strong as the earlier strikes? Would die deterioration have played any part in the possible weakness of the eye?

 

Thats a good question, and the more I research this stuff, the more befuddled I get.

For fun, I went back to my local coin shop that has unsearched jefferson war nickels today in a bucket for $1.50. I don't think they search those buckets very well because I've found all kinds of deals there.

I was specifically looking for the doubled eye, the 43/42 and the 45 doubled reverse.

I found a '43-P in XF that appears to have "something" in that area of the nose. And it has die cracks. And it also has minor doubling on the right date and the right side letters in "liberty". So this new one has doubling in the "right place" in the lettering, but just some kind of bump or lump where the little eye should be. But again, this one has die cracks...so who knows? (Literally...who does know, is there an expert?)

So I cracked the books on this one.

Nagengast says only that it is a doubled die with the prominant feature being a part of another eye showing below the portrait's normal eye.

St. Breen says, "Two Eyes" and "lettering and date also show multiple impressions". Note that he does not differentiate the lettering...doesn't say just the date and liberty. Breen says it was discovered by Bill Fivaz.

The Redbook guide to Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels by Q. David Bowers says "Further from Fivaz-Stanton: 'The doubling is visible on the date, liberty, the motto, and most noticeably the eye".

So right now, whether this coin has a good second eye or not, I think that if you have decent doubling on any of those places, you probably have the variety in a later die state, unless you want to call it an entirely new error, which probably isn't appropriate.

So, what that leaves me with is right where I started. It is debateable whether this coin is a double eye, but I think it is because of the doubling I'm seeing in "Trust". But I'm clearly not 100% certain, and not egocentric enough to worry about it if I'm wrong. This education has been priceless and I truly thank all of those who provided good info. I do have to say that I'm intrigued by my research, and might just delve deeper into this topic. If anyone has any other source information, or can state any good sources that make the claim that there is varying quality of the doubled eye, I'd defniitely be interested. Who knows? Maybe late in the die life, they fixed the eye problem but not the lettering problem and these are rarer? It'd be cool to find an UNC version like that because that would be worthy of publication.

Steve

 

I may change my mind if .
can we see a little lighter close up around the eye?

 

Ditto!

 

Good, bad, or indifferent, I'll scan it when it comes in.

 

After seeing those pictures it just doesn't look like it to me.

 

I have a new (bigger) picture. The guy has shipped it, so I may as well post the picture from ebay. Scroll down to the second obverse picture for the biggest one, and then resize it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200456850767

If this isn't one (and it may not be), then I'll be trying to find one somewhere else I guess.

Steve

 

I'm still at 50/50. The "O" in god really stands out, its clearly doubled...

 

OK. I got the coin. It is definitely the coin in the picture. And it is definitely not a double eye error coin. Thanks for your help. You win some, you lose some.