Do you think this might have had a little "help"?

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what is the reverse like?

 

More than a 'little' help.

 

This is what I always worry about with errors. How do these collectors stop from being scammed by intentional errors by unscrupulous mint employees? Such a piece as this should be the basis of a full FBI investigation for fraud. To me, this is proof of government employees illegally using government property. I cannot fathom in any way how such a piece could ever be made accidentally.

 

Would not happen.

The statute of limitations has run out.

 

Wonder how many more 'error' coins are out there somewhere such as this one that haven't been 'discovered' yet. If someone took the time to make something as elaborate as that chances are they made other 'errors' too.

 

You're exactly right. There could be buckets of these things somewhere!

 

Still a very cool coin!!

 

PCGS Labeled it as a mint error - crazy

 

And the Mint employees and major error dealers have each others' names and contact info in their literal or virtual Rolodexes. Fred Weinberg as much as admitted so in Portland.

One more for my "shame on PCGS" file.

 

To be serious, Old Error Guy, do you really think that your bow tie with a perfect date didn't have some help?

 

Actually, I've got other coins which I think are more likely to have been "helped".

I do try to find the best examples of a given error type and this can lead to manufactured coins I guess.

If you think bout the difficulty of producing this bow tie - 2 clips - proper orientation etc. to produce a coin probably valued at $20 at the time, I really doubt it, but who knows.

 

$20!

That seems like a steal.

Good deal

 

Actually, I think I paid about $100 5 to 7 years ago on eBay. I'm just guessing the value in 1964 when the mint produced an astounding quantity of errors. I personally devalue any error with a 1964 date, but I'm not sure many others do.

 

Was 1964 the 'year of strange errors'?

or 'assisted ' errors?

 

1964 coins were minted well after the year turned, and the crush of production to ward off the "coin shortage" put a premium on quantity, not QA or QC.

 

yup, about 18 months dated 1964, before the change over.

 

Yes, same reason they suspended proof set sales and removed the mintmarks from coins. Because, of course, it wasn't Gresham's Law of devaluing our coinage that was causing the shortages, it was those evil coin collectors screwing everything up.