Do u c what I c?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Pockets Alaniz, Jul 23, 2017.

  1. Pockets Alaniz

    Pockets Alaniz New Member

    Will someone please tell me I'm not crazy! I'm new to the numismatic world but I have been doing a lot of reading and research. If everything I have learned so far is right, then I think I have a 1972 Double Die.
     

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  3. paddyman98

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  4. Pickin and Grinin

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  5. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Are you feeling ok??? You just let someone use incorrect terminology to describe a coin, without correcting them. Lol. You... Dr. ... soon.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

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    I'll be happy to tell you that you aren't crazy as soon as you pay the bill for services rendered.

    Chris;);)
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I don't bother to tell anyone that the correct terminology is Doubled Die anymore. Some members get upset and call me obnoxious. Guess they don't want to be corrected or taught what's right :shifty:
     
  8. Pockets Alaniz

    Pockets Alaniz New Member

    I don't mind being corrected as long as you are trying to help me. What is the correct terminology?
     
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  9. paddyman98

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  10. Pockets Alaniz

    Pockets Alaniz New Member

    So what. Whoever has an insignificant opinion about your comments to ME are probably just jealous about how much you know. I need people to correct me. I've never been so excited and ambitious about something like I am about learning coins. thankk you for the info!
     
  11. Kentucky

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    Not meaning to interrupt or hijack this thread, but what would be the value of such an example...inquiring minds want to know...
     
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  12. Rick Stachowski

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    Just woke up . Cut the lawn and the air condition knock me out ..
     
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  13. Rick Stachowski

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    DDO-009, only has the " 2 " doubled and it's not that one .
    I hate to say it, but it's the MDO .

    1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

    Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

    Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

    Submitted By: John A. Wexler

    Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

    Values: No extra value!!!

    Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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  14. Rick Stachowski

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    If it were #9, the price guide for " RED " MS-65 is, 75 bucks ...
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

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    Here's the image ( number ) of the " 2 " that's doubled on that DDO .
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  16. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    That'll do it. Here, it's either raining, or hot/humid, sometimes both. Northern il. is WET.
     
  17. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    When people's misspellings/typos get "badgered" I could see the problem, but when actually educating, especially new members, I see only helping hands. Don't stop helping the hobby. :)
     
  18. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    @Rick Stachowski nailed this one. It is a doubled die, just an extremely, extremely common one. I seem to find more 1972s with the doubled master die than without.
     
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  19. cpm9ball

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    Three cheers for paddyman! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!

    If anyone doesn't like it, they can go suck on a Zincoln!

    Chris
     
  20. Rick Stachowski

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    Even #9, has the MDO on it ..
     
  21. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    True. I think Wexler has a few listings that also has the master die doubling.
     
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