Do these split serifs mean a subtle doubled die or not?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Steamandlight, Jul 10, 2016.

  1. Steamandlight

    Steamandlight Active Member

    I've got a bunch of identical 1943P jefferson war nickels with these split serifs. Does this count as a slightly doubled die, or is it just an oddity that is completely unimportant?

    The main spots it is visible are the upper end of the "S" in "trust", and on the right side of "T" and the left side of "Y" in "liberty". I took the photos at different angles to the light, as clearly as I could.


    I know it's not just damage, because I have literally dozens of these nickels with the exact same markers. (I have other 1941-P nickels WITHOUT these splits, too.)

    Opinions?

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  3. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I think what you have is simply a die crack through the Y, and not die doubling. I can't tell what I should be seeing on the other letters.
     
  4. Steamandlight

    Steamandlight Active Member

    split 1a.jpg split 1b.jpg split2a.jpg split2b.jpg split3a.jpg split3b.jpg Here I've circled and highlighted the spots. I've circled the spots I mentioned earlier, as they are the strongest splits, and highlighted everywhere the splitting is evident. It's not a crack, because it's down into the coin, concave, not bumped out, convex, in all of these spots. And it is not machine doubling - it's not flat, it's bumped up on both sides of each split. I've noticed the upper corner of the "E" is also split in "liberty".

    It's definitely there, I'm just wondering if this counts as a doubled die, or it's normal for these letters to split on a lot of different dates of nickels?
     
  5. Steamandlight

    Steamandlight Active Member

    I do not know how to take any clearer of pictures, and the ugly yellow toning all these nickels have does NOT help.
     
  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Now that you've circled it on the Y, I think you might have something. You need better lighting. It looks like you are using natural light. Do you have 2x gooseneck CFL lamps? If you do, wait until it is dark, turn those two on and photograph again. Also, do you have a 10x loupe? Some of my best close up photos are from sticking my loupe in front of my iPhone and snapping a shot.
     
  7. Steamandlight

    Steamandlight Active Member

    For lighting I usually use a desk lamp with a flexible neck. I've got a fluorescent light in it thanks to advice I've read in another post here. I'll see what else I can scrounge up.

    I've got a nice camera and I've been using the 4x zoom option for these pics. I will see if I can get anything through my loupe but I need to experiment. I'll see what I can do.
     
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    I only hit post once! How do I fix that! I don't see a delete button!
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Hit edit and delete the text.
    It will show a blank post.
     
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  13. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Okay, if it's not the lighting, it's the zoom/magnification/clarity issue. You don't want to ever use digital zoom on any camera, so make sure you're not using that. I recommend picking up a macro lens for your camera if possible. Also, shooting whole coin shots and adding them to the mix helps us as well.
     
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    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    There are others as well.... seek, and ye shall find, as they say.
     
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