DMPL or Putty

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  1. Aberlight

    Aberlight New Member

    Recently I have begun looking at PL coins and it seems like somewhere I once read that coins are sometimes given the cameo frosted devices artificially with plumbers putty. In this case what do I look for other than frosted rubs and nicks?

    Came across this auction and thought it looked "enhanced" with some sort of application as the scratch on the breast is cameo. What are your thoughts?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1882-MORGAN-DOL...ryZ39465QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
    Aberlight, Jan 28, 2008
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  3. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i got another question where do i get plumbers putty i want to make my cleaned morgans into dmpl
     
    spock1k, Jan 28, 2008
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A few of years ago I got told I was nuts for saying that coin docs could add frost to a coin. Seems ideas have changed in recent years.

    Now I have no idea how they could do it with plumber's putty - but yeah, it can be done. Whether it was done to that coin or not - I have no idea. But it looks like the pics have been worked at the least.
     
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  5. Aberlight

    Aberlight New Member

    Lowes or HomeDepot. It is the putty that you use under the faucet and the drain in the sink to seal out water leaks. Some plumbers now use silicon.

    http://www.herchem.com/products/putty_epoxy.html
     
    Aberlight, Jan 28, 2008
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  6. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    ok someone needs to teach me how to DMPL coins. Any volunteers? it doesnt have to be with putty it can be with anything
     
    spock1k, Jan 28, 2008
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Some things should be kept secret spock - we have enough of that nonsense as it is. We don't need more.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 28, 2008
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  8. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    certainly not why should only few people have the knowledge i wan to learn too. i dont think i will be creating any nonsense
     
    spock1k, Jan 28, 2008
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  9. n_sandler4

    n_sandler4 Paul

    If you create any of these coins you create nonsense.


    -Paul
     
    n_sandler4, Jan 28, 2008
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  10. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i disagree if you try to sell those then you create nonsense its the use and the intention thats everything
     
    spock1k, Jan 28, 2008
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  11. adelv_unegv

    adelv_unegv New Member

    What would be better, imho, is for those who do know how to discuss the diagnostics on how to differentiate between real and doctored. This goes for any fake -- doubled dies, DMPLs, or otherwise.
     
    adelv_unegv, Jan 28, 2008
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  12. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    DJCoinz, Jan 29, 2008
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  13. Aberlight

    Aberlight New Member

    Good eye. Toplinecoins is the king of coin manipulation.
     
    Aberlight, Jan 29, 2008
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  14. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    In this case my guess is that it's an enhanced image, as opposed to an enhanced coin.
     
    Mark Feld, Jan 29, 2008
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  15. srkjkd

    srkjkd Book before coin

    there is a dvd available thru the ana which is a seminar by robert cambell on detecting artificial toning and frosting on coins. i am still in the area of natural vs artificial and going thru examples of both. have not gotten to the part on frosting yet, but this dvd is available for around $40 from the ana should you be interested.
     
    srkjkd, Jan 29, 2008
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  16. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    must be quite the loser to turn it over that quickly
     
    bqcoins, Jan 29, 2008
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  17. Aberlight

    Aberlight New Member


    Do you have a link for ordering?
     
    Aberlight, Jan 29, 2008
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  18. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    Thanks for reminding me why I don't buy from Ebay anymore.
     
    Cloudsweeper99, Jan 29, 2008
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  19. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    though I am not a coin doc myself, the easiest way to detect putty (usually used on gold or copper, and not used as frequently on silver) is to look at the coin under a lamp at a very steep angle. Most coins are viewed directly under a lamp with the slab nearly parallel with the desk below it, but to see putty then you tilt the top of the slab up until the coin is at just short of perpendicular to the desk and the areas that are puttied will stand out as being monkeyed with. The same effect can be acchieved by tilting the top of the slab down and away from you until it is at about a 45 degree angle with the desk.
     
    The_Cave_Troll, Jan 29, 2008
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Disagree if you like, you're entitiled. But don't forget about what happens when YOU no longer own the coin. What does the next person do with it ? You have no control over that. So the safest thing for the hobby and future collectors is don't mess with the coins - period.
     
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And we do, all the time. What is really best though is for folks to buy books on the subject and then discuss with someone who is knowledgable in person. There is just too much to learn through a medium like this and much of it you actually have to see it in hand to understand.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 29, 2008
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