Discoveries of advanced pre-flood civiliztions

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Good book:

    “One Second After” by William R Forstchen

    In essence, the population will gravitate to the technology at hand...

    Consider: If we lost the ability to harness the electron, how much of our population, today, would survive?
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  3. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    I think the ancient aliens idea is kind of a stretch, though. perhaps the "aliens" were human survivors of the younger dryas catastrophe, trying to teach primitive peoples in a way they could understand.
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Episode: “How to Serve Man”
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  5. The 195,000 years is not unaccounted for--read some anthropology! An do not take silly TV shows for history--even the people that film them do not believe in their nonsense and laugh at the viewers! I know some of them.
  6. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Please stay away from any Discussions of religion or specific dieties as it is against the rules. Try our sister site " " where it is allowed.
  7. dlts

    dlts Active Member

    That's an interesting question. I've always been fascinated with the pre-flood world, but never did I wonder about the legal tender they may have used. I'm always amazed at the different directions these forums can take. Thanks!
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    This was a cool book, easy read, with a lot of great info. Author does a great job showing how climates and landform changes influenced the various Homonid Species. Although, the cover mentions Neandertals, the book actually covers 8 million years of Human progression (evolution, extinctions, migrations, etc.). The first HALF of the book covers from 8million YA up to 50,000 years ago (the supposed time Homo Sapiens-Sapiens appear). It really resets your thoughts about prior Human Species and why our species are here today.

  9. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    The term extinct could mean all of its genetic information was lost. But this is certainly not true. What is being genetically shown is that there was large amounts of fertile exchange between the Human species with the Neanderthals that allowed humans from Africa to move up and survive the colder and dimmer sunlight with Neanderthal genes for skin and vitamin D formations, etc. Most populations of humans today , except for Southern Africa have 1.5-2.1 % Neanderthal genes. Humans in the far north continental areas may have significantly more , up to some reported levels of 30% or so. At last count there have been 7 species of Homo sapiens that lived in overlapping time periods and exchanged genetic material. So branches didn't go completely extinct, as they spread and interbred, they eventually produced the current Homo sapiens.

    As genetic testing gets more refined and more specimens of the lesser know subspecies are found, science can better see the paths taken for us to end up where and what we are. If I owned a genetic testing company, next gifting, I would make kits to determine their human makeup %, although some of my relatives claim to be 100% .........., :) Won't they be surprised. IMO, Jim
  10. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    I'm supposed to believe that human beings wandered around for 195,000 years, and only started developing agriculture, architecture, and all the other trappings of civilization within the past 5,000 years? All I'm saying is that there's a lot we don't know, there's a lot of time before the historical record, and it's possible that there's evidence of a past human civilization that we've yet to find. Were they more advanced than us? Less advanced than us, but more advanced than is generally accepted by current doctrine? Who knows. It doesn't take long for nature to conceal evidence of human activity. As far as anthropology books, I've read alot of them. They're full of good information based on what we've dug up, so far. I believe we've only scratched the surface and discovering our past is a continuing process. It would be foolish to assume that what we know now is all we're ever going to know. I'm with you on the aliens though, shows that promote that stuff make it hard for anything contrary to doctrine to be seriously considered.
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  11. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Thank you Desertgem, this is a numismatic site. I love to speculate and prognosticate but this is not the venue. Entertaining, I will admit.

    So here is my coin for the day. It is about 9mm, the image does not do it justice. This was just a down and dirty photo. In future I need to employ a different process with light, to be honest, I was just too lazy. This is my hobby, I do it for fun.

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  12. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Actually, it's more like 10,000 years since we started developing those things. And we were only "wandering around" outside Africa for about 40,000 years before that, because that's when our particular species of human being left Africa. Of course, they encountered other now-extinct human species in their travels. And all of them were producing art, in and out of Africa, for most of those 40,000 years, as well as, I'm sure, structures outside caves. There was simply no reason to develop agriculture before then, even though they utilized plants as food.

    I've always found evidence-based archaeology and anthropology far more interesting -- it's endlessly fascinating, really, especially with all the present-day genetic evidence -- than wild speculation based on unfounded assumptions without any supporting facts.

    Separately, I also wonder whether people realize how much of so-called "alternative archaeology" -- especially when its proponents start bloviating about aliens, etc. -- has its roots in 19th and early 20th century racist beliefs that so-called savages (like Native Americans) and other non-white peoples were incapable of building pyramids and other artifacts of civilization.
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  13. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Frankly, I'll believe in a past human civilization once they discover the remains of the premier sign of our time--the drive up window.
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  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Joke's on you! They didn't need them, they'd mastered teleportation.
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  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Many historians believe that the latest devastating flood occurred circa 3000 B.C. That's nearly 5000 years ago. We can name it the Noah Flood. It happened in the era of Prehistory which ended in 1200 B.C., a decisive date in the beginning of History where it's believed that Man ( The Phoenicians) invented the Alphabet. That first period or the beginning of History lasted from 1200 B.C. till the Fall of the Roman Empire in the fifth century AD. It's called"OldTimes"or Antiquite in French..
    Back to Prehistory which is believed to be ultimately unknown or very suspect due to lack of alphabetical evidence, well many anthropologists believe that the first "humans" appeared back as far as nearly 20 million years. They didn't have totally our shape, almost like monkeys. They evolved into the "Primates"nearly similar to us. These were divided in several species. Long years after long years.. they were all extinct except one species which is ourselves. We don't know why that that species survived. Maybe we'll never know. That's Prehistory. Millions of years.. From the beginning of Alphabet till this moment, we count nearly 3 thousand years. Can you compare this to millions of years. Man.. We're living in the era of the Alphabet where we can communicate, write and read, learn and invent and discover.
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Agreed. I knew it was outdated when I read it. It is a great book, published in 2008. The first half is great understanding how we emerged. The last half, particularly the Neandertals was outdated. He was just toying with whether humans interbred with other species. In just the last 10 years, we have decoded DNA, and as you stated, learned an enormous amount about Human ancestry. I still recommend the book, especially if you keep up with latest genetics within the last 10 years.
  17. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Prehistory ended nearly 5,000 years ago with the development of the first systems of writing. Not when the first alphabetical system was developed.
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  18. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    And although many be woe the future, man will change the human DNA to enhance lifespan and abilities.It will begin with military and later to those that can afford it. Copyright laws will probably need to insure sterility also to prevent transfer. those that can not do so, will become the "base model". May we live in interesting times !!!! IMO, Jim
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  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    This makes writers like Phillip K Dick appear prescient.
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  20. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Bring it on! I would love nothing better then to alter the DNA, and have immortality/ reverse ageing:happy::happy::happy::happy::happy:
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    I always wondered if androids DID dream of electric sheep...
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