Diocletian - post-abdication follis

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  1. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Another new purchase.

    On May 1st, A.D. 305 Diocletian abdicated after 20 years as emperor. These abdication types celebrate him in his retirement in his role as Senior Augustus.

    Diocletian Follis

    Obv:- D N DIOCLETIANO BEATISSIMO SEN AVG, Laureate bust right in imperial mantle, with olive branch and mappa
    Rev:- PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia and Quies standing, extending hands to each other
    Minted in Ticinum (_ | Pellet // TT). c. A.D. 305
    Reference(s) – Cohen 422. RIC VI Ticinum 56a

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    Martin
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice example. I have seen a few of these lately but never been able to score one at a good price.

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    Diocletian (284 - 305 A.D.)
    Æ(S) Antoninianus
    O: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    R: IOV ET HERCV CONSER AVGG, Jupiter stg R hldg globe and scepter; Hercules stg L hldg Victory, club,& lionskin, crescent & Z in center, XXI in ex.
    Antioch Mint
    4.0g
    21.6mm
    RIC V 323
     

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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice one! Yours has a bust that is nicely proportioned. My Maximianus from Aquileia has one that borders on caricature. Needless to say, I still like it.

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    MAXIMIANUS, as Senior Augustus
    AE Follis
    10.17g, 29.2mm
    Aquileia mint, AD 305-306
    RIC VI Aquileia 63b
    O: D N MAXIMIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding olive branch and mappa.
    R: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, receiving olive branch from Quies standing left, holding scepter; S F in field, AQS in exergue.
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Martin, your coins are always chosen as a very beautifully struck issue. Gorgeous OP...

    RI Diocletion 284-305 CE AE Folles VOT XX Obv-Rev.jpg
    I only have one Diocletian and it is a Votive XX...
     
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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    VERY attractive posts!!!

    I appear to be missing that 'variety'.

    It seems all I have is a very modest provincial bronze and a cool 'Genio' example.
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Well, here is my budget example:
    Diocletian 5.jpg
    DIOCLETIAN
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: DN DIOCLETIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, holding olive branch & mappa
    REVERSE: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch downward in right hand, leaning left on vertical sceptre, pellet in right field, TT in ex.
    Struck at Ticinum, 305 AD
    6.8g, 28mm
    RIC VI 56a
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  9. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    nice new coin martin, my only diocletian, attribution from wildwinds states "post-reform", but not quite sure what that means...
    RIC6-60a.jpg
    Diocletian, Antioch, post-reform radiate fraction.
    AE3 Follis
    Obv: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, radiate draped bust right.
    Rev: CONCORDIA MILITVM, Prince standing right in military
    dress, receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter facing left, leaning on sceptre.
    Star A between them.
    Mintmark ANT.

    RIC VI 60a Antioch
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It is refreshing to see a seller getting this right. The coin is a non silver bearing fraction of the currency reform that brought us the large (AE1) follis which was silvered. Many of these are sold as pre reform antoniniani which they are not. If you go looking for your coin in RIC, you need volume VI while the pre reform coin that is similar is in volume V.
     
  11. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    I like this type. It's been chemically dipped and I'm not keen on the results, but a good addition nonetheless.
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    @YOC How do you know it's been chemically dipped?
     
  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thats a really interesting one, nice find
     
  14. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    The pitted surface and toning . It's too clean to have a pitted surface like that and the traces of hoard deposit left mean it would have been hard to clean without a whole coin dip. The toning is slightly patchy if you look, this is because , when dipped the acid works on the areas of the surface of the coin without deposits longer and when the deposits have dissolved the areas which were exposed to acid longer are usually brighter and shinier. A subtle toning solution then is absorbed into the shinier areas easier and quicker due to their increased porosity.
    I am pretty sure this is the case here.
     
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  15. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I may have a Diocletian laying around

    Emperor Diocletian Antoninianus.png

    And his colleague Maximian

    Maximian Radiate.jpg

    cyzant_6.jpg

    Somehow I have two Maximians, but only one Diocletian :(
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thanks. I still have a lot to learn, especially about cleaning.
     
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  17. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Here is a Diocletian PostAb follis from my collection. I'm not home now, so I cannot give any specifics on weight etc at this time. Another mediocre photo by yours truly (Doug, look away...).

    EDIT - not sure why the pics are here twice, and I can' t figure out how to fix it!

    roman38obv.jpg roman38rev.jpg roman38obv.jpg roman38rev.jpg
     
  18. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Nice.

    Better than mine!

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  19. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    I love those post abdication folles, although my only one is a Mamximianus from Serdica

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    Maximianus, Abdication Follis Serdica mint, 1st officina, AD 305-306
    DN MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding mappa and olive branch
    PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QUIES AVGG, Quies and Providentia, facing each other, S | F in field, .SM.SD. at exergue, officina A
    10,70 gr
    Ref : Cohen #489, RCV # 13408 (220), RIC VI # 15b

    Q
     
  20. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Now that is a beauty....
     
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  21. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Stunning coin Martin! !
     
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