Different Solidus of Constantinople, Rome, Ravenna and Sicily?

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  1. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    I was sitting down and noting how exactly each solidus of Justinian look like. It appears to me that Sear 140(Constantinople), 291(Rome), 312(Ravenna) and 328D(Sicily) all have the same features. – Any Byzantinist nerd who can tell me how to distinguish them?

    David Sear says “spread fabric”-style for Rome and Ravenna solidus, while Sicily solidus has “heavy annular border”.

    I have a worn solidus of Justinian which "could" be Rome and Ravenna, but especially also Sicily giving the “heavy annular border”.

    I will give a survey, the first solidus is mine, the 3 others are from the internet.

    Sear 140(Constantinople)
    140.jpg
    4,19 gram, 20 mm. (Clipped most likely)

    Obverse: Helmeted and cuirassed bust facing holding globus cruciger and shield.

    Legends: DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG

    Reverse: Angel standing facing, holding long linear staff surmounted by the sign of staurogram, and globus cruciger, to right beneath: star.

    Legends: VICTORIA AVGGG(followed by officina letter, in this case delta “Δ”)

    Exergue: CONOB




    Sear 291 (Rome)
    291.jpg
    Description: Same as Sear 140




    Sear 312 (Ravenna)
    312.jpg
    Description: Same as Sear 140




    Sear 328D (Sicily)
    328.jpg
    Description: Same as Sear 140




    Officina delta “Δ” has been noted for all the aforementioned Rome, Ravenna and Sicily solidus. So how can I know that my Sear 140(Constantinople) is not a Sear 328D(Sicily)? – Because my Solidus also has “heavy annular border” on the reverse side at the upper part.

    They all have the same design. All helmeted and cuirassed bust facing holding globus cruciger and shield. All same angel standing facing, holding long linear staff surmounted by the sign of staurogram, and globus cruciger, and star beneat. Same legends. Same exergue. same officina has been noted.

    So how to distinguish?
     
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool gold coin!! I can't answer your question but I'll be checking to see who can....
     
  4. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I'm certainly no expert but to me the distinguishing factor seems to be style at least based on this handful of examples. The headgear and cuirass of the obverse and the angel(in particular, the wings and face) of the reverse. There are many cases of ancient coins where this is the case, where the description that you might see in a catalog is identical but the style is noticeably different.
     
  5. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Well, the Rome coin (Sear 291) has CONOK in the Exergue . so it wouldn't be that one.
     
  6. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    No. David Sear says it is normally "CONOB", but sometimes also "CONOI", "CONOK" or "COMOK".
     
  7. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    I have sought in acsearch.info to find three of each of these solidus:

    140(Constantinople)
    140.jpg
    140a.jpg
    140b.jpg




    291(Rome)
    291.jpg 291a.jpg 291b.jpg
     

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  8. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    312(Ravenna)
    312.jpg
    312a.jpg
    312b.jpg






    328D(Sicily)
    328D.jpg
    328D1.jpg
    328D2.jpg
     
  9. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    In my estimation its very difficult. When they say fabric the only real way to "get" that is to have them in hand. Italian coins just are struck a little different and feel different when holding them.

    I am not an expert in these AT ALL, but have held and seen in person some, and that is the best I can describe it. I would have no clue really from pics unless I found a die match.
     
  10. The Big Bad Wolf

    The Big Bad Wolf Well-Known Member

    Engraving and flan styles. How they attribute a certain style to a certain mint is way above my pay grade though.
     
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