i had posted one of these before and asked the same question... chip or cud? the answer i got was a chip i believe but i think i have a valid arguement. this is the definitin of a cud as you know "CUD mint errors are found on the edge of the coin only and start with a break in the die and move inward from the rim. The more dramatic the CUD and the higher the grade of the coin determines their value."right? do they not move inward away from the "rim" of the design??
A cud is a break which BEGINS on the rim AND extends inward into the field. The die break you have shown us does not include the rim. Therefore, it is not a cud. Chris
i get that and i really do. i am not trying to reach for something that is not there, but at the same time whenever the term cud was first produced were there coins that had part of the design the represented something like the edge of the rim and so close to it? i am probably looking WAY out of the box, but do you get what i am trying to say? is it not possible for the chip to get bigger and then fill in towards the rim and touch it? or would it still be a chip because it did not originate at the rim of the coin?? i like that question and thanks for your response
Perhaps I should modify my response........ A cud is a break which includes, BOTH, the rim AND the field. Yes, I suppose it is possible for a die break inside the rim to expand and eventually include the rim, but unless you had the opportunity to examine an original Mint bag of, say, 1,000 coins or so, you'd have no way of knowing which happened first in the progression. What I'm getting at is that just because you have a coin with a small die break inside the rim at, say 4 o'clock, you have no way of proving that another coin with a cud between 3 & 5 o'clock was the result of the expansion of that break. Does this make sense to you? Chris
that makes perfect sense. ty for taking the time to explain that. if I may, one last thing. if there was a "blob" of metal so to speak say in the middle of the coin, would that just be a big chip/break? or does it fall into a different category I have not learned about yet? and thanks again
It could be a wide variety of things, including PMD (possibly solder) or a die chip/break. It is hard to determine what it is just with a description, and photos would most likely tell us for sure what it is.
To add to n-c's explanation, a gouge or dent on the die could also create a raised blob of metal on the coin. A good example of this is the 2005-S Kansas Silver Proof SQ, FS-901. If you have the latest copy of the Cherrypickers Guide, Volume II, it is listed there. Chris
