Details Make a Difference Part 2

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Continuing the discussion @Valentinian brought up in this thread https://www.cointalk.com/threads/details-make-a-difference.289169/ ... here is another (minor?) difference I think worthy of mention.

    I earlier discussed the Titus Caesar version of the eagle on altar type and how it is seen both with the eagle clutching a thunderbolt and without thunderbolt. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/titus-as-caesar-a-vexing-variant.288127/#post-2597735

    Recently I acquired a Vespasian example of the type without thunderbolt.

    V847c.jpg Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.08g
    Rome Mint, 76 AD
    RIC 847 (C2), BMC 180, RSC 121
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: COS VII across field; Eagle with wings spread, standing front on low garlanded base, head l.

    Here is my other example with thunderbolt.

    V847.jpg
    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.21g
    Rome Mint, 76 AD
    RIC 847 (C2), BMC 180, RSC 121
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: COS VII across field; Eagle with wings spread, standing front on low garlanded base, thunderbolt in claws, head l.

    RIC describes this type as eagle with thunderbolt in claws, however, it is much more commonly seen without thunderbolt. Oddly, there is no mention of the two different variants in the catalogue. Would you pay a premium for the scarcer second type?
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great example David. To answer your question, I would probably pay more for the second coin.
     
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  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    It's not a fair question because one coin is in F grade and the other one is easily XF, so yeah, I would pay more for the XF regardless of thunderbolt. But if the condition was the same or similar between both coins, no, I would not pay more for the thunderbolt.
     
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  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I suppose I wasn't clear enough (now edited). The hypothetical question would apply to two coins in similar condition. And I agree with you, the type with thunderbolt is more desirable!
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Probably not to answer your question @David Atherton. But then, I'm not a specialist in Flavians like you. I'd bet you might pay the premium.
     
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  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I certainly would if need be. Fortunately, hardly anyone notices the difference!
     
  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I think it's safe to bet that most specialists will pay a premium of some sort due to them knowing how many may be seen on the market where someone who just wants the type, it don't matter.

    Honestly comparing the varieties is like u.s collectors buying coins with a Morgan dollar reverse arrow pointing one way then normal or extra large cent having an extra berry. Depends on the buyer.

    Like me, I have actually paid more for an ancient cause it weighs more then usual of a type. Most here don't care but it's actually one of my quirks.
     
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  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I pay more for certain FH, so If I collected Flavian denarii then I most likely would pay a more.
     
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