CT RESEARCH #1

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mike Drop, Mar 29, 2018.

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Question- HOW MAJOR OF AN IMPACT DOES NUMISMATICS MAKE ON FINACIAL SYSTEMS?

This poll will close on Nov 29, 2059 at 1:44 PM.
  1. No impact

  2. Minor Impact

  3. Considerable impact

  4. Major impact

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  1. Mike Drop

    Mike Drop Active Member

    I highly enjoy recordkeeping and anaylisis of statistics. I would like to start doing numismatic research and a part of that is getting the opinions of CT Users. I may ask polls in certain topic related threads,or PM certain users for research. This is completly voluntary and I AM MAKING NO PROFIT OR RECOGNITION FOR THIS WORK. I had to make that clear due to some accusations in the past. I will always post a PDF link under the certain topic of any significant findings and if you can not find it please feel free to PM me. This informational note will be at the beginning of each thread I create to garuntee no misunderstandings will occur. Thank you for your cooporation.
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    My first reasearch topic is Coin market and the finacial system.

    In previous years legislations have blamed the coin collecting for issues with the economy. Are they right
    Question- HOW MAJOR OF AN IMPACT DOES NUMISMATICS MAKE ON FINACIAL SYSTEMS?
    Please explain your opinion below
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2018
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  3. lovecoinswalkingliberty

    lovecoinswalkingliberty Well-Known Member

    Could you edit this for I could change my vote, I hit wrong button. 3 for minor
     
  4. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Assuming you are not using any names associated with this kind of polling, I'm good with it. If so please mention this and I will add some value to it hopefully.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To answer your question a lot really depends on how you are choosing to define things, ie: economy and financial systems.

    For example, when I think of what economy means to me, it's the basic economic health of the entire country taken as a whole. With that understanding, numismatics has a very minor impact. Yes, numismatics contributes to the economy in that it provides jobs, income for businesses, income for the mint, income for airlines, hotels, convention centers, etc etc. But all of it combined is but a drop in the bucket compared to the entire US economy.

    But when I think of financial systems, that's an entirely different story. For example, a financial system, to me, is capitalism. Communism would be another financial system.

    My point being that the economy and our financial system here in this country are two entirely different things. While your question seems to lump them into being the same thing.

    In any event, numismatics has a very minor effect on both of them.

    As for this particular comment -

    In previous years legislations have blamed the coin collecting for issues with the economy. Are they right

    No, they were not right. The only time I aware of where coin collecting was blamed for anything was in the 1960's when coin collectors were blamed for the current shortage of coins in the country. But that simply wasn't true.

    The coin shortage did exist, but it existed for only one reason. It existed because of all the talk prior to, during, and after the legislation that put an end of silver being used in our coins. Pretty much everybody in the country knew this was going to happen - long before it did happen. As a result of that knowledge, just about everybody started hoarding all the silver coins sure that they were going to make a fortune on the deal.

    Coin collectors didn't cause the coin shortage - the rest of the US population did.
     
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  6. Mike Drop

    Mike Drop Active Member

    No but Ill remember when i log it in my spreadsheet
     
  7. Mike Drop

    Mike Drop Active Member

    Ill make sure of it. Thank you
     
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  8. Mike Drop

    Mike Drop Active Member

    Actually I did fix it. You may change your vote if you wish. Thank you
     
  9. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I voted minor impact. In the overall scheme of such a massive economy as we have, while numismatics adds to the economy, it has little impact. But it can be a double edged sword. If someone uses only discretionary money to finance their hobby, all is well. If someone who does little research and takes on a lot of debt buying coins or P.M.'s, using rent, mortgage, utilities money or maxes out a credit card/s not knowing what they are getting into, then it makes a negative impact on the economy. Maybe not a huge impact but an impact nonetheless. Especially if they default on credit cards or heaven forbid, lose their home over it (and it has happened as easily as getting carried away in Vegas).
     
  10. Mike Drop

    Mike Drop Active Member

    Well said
     
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  11. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    You mean I can max out my credit cards on gold, hide it away and then declare bankruptcy? I cannot believe anyone would ever do that.
     
  12. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    I voted “no” because “infinitesimal” wasn’t an option.
     
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  13. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    This wouldve been a pretty good idea before 1985, when they changed the bankruptcy law
     
  14. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    How did they change it? As I have no plans to ever go bankrupt I know nothing about these laws.
     
  15. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    The short of it is- Filing for bankruptcy would actually squash all of your debt back then.
    Almost like getting a mulligan
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Are you sure about the date, Heavy? I could swear it was much more recent than that, but bankruptcy is an, ahem, pleasure I haven't had the, well, pleasure of experiencing nor do I stay up on such things.
     
  17. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Actually that date was wrong, im not even sure what date it happened now that i think about it. I believe Bush was in office. Im no lawyer but i do have a buddy who is. Thats where i got my info from. In other words, at one point in time you could file bankruptcy and get off much easier than the way things are nowadays.
     
  18. JayF

    JayF Active Member

    Reading the comments by GDJMSP and Tommy03, my vote was influenced from No Impact to Minor Impact. Wouldn't it skew your metrics if others are also influenced? I didn't vote yet.
     
  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I was thinking it was around 2006 or so and is why I asked. This would mesh with the Bush thing too.

    No biggie either way.
     
  20. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    In the grand scheme of things, numismatics has a negligible impact.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I didn't even vote in the poll, none is too small and minor not small enough.
     
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