Hey guys, I have recently stumbled on to a great source of numismatic reference information and have been toying with the idea of trying to print off some online resources for hard copy research. I am thinking I want to maybe buy a couple of different colored 1.5" - 2" 3-ring binders to make some home made references on different denominations (Black for cents, Blue for nickels, red for quarters, etc). The source that sparked all of this is David Lawrence Rare Coins' facebook page. They posted a link to their Complete Guide to Barber Half Dollars. This is a series that interests me so I remembered seeing a link for this guide come across my page a few weeks ago and asked to be redirected to that page for a glance at the material (didnt have time when i originally saw the post). Long story short they sent me a link to their resource page that has about 10 out of print books that i would LOVE to begin building a library with. The problem is the layout. Heres the link to the main page of resources: http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index.php/david-lawrence-rare-coins-reference-library/ As you can see they offer some very good books that I ordinarily would have to hunt down and pay for, but can print off directly from here (i was even given permission by a DLRC staffer on facebook so i assume this is an ok practice). So back to the problem of the layout, the page only lets you view one page at a time instead of downloading a PDF or bringing it up in a printable format. It will be very tedious to individually click on every page and print them out, then clicking the next page and doing the same, ad infinity, until the process is complete. I dont want to go through all of that. So does the great world of Coin Talk have some of these resources available in a .PDF format or other easily printable layout? I really dont want to print the other way I see, and I dont want the 'junk' in the margins so I can write my own notes. I have asked to be directed to a DLRC IT person to maybe get the direct material from a PDF or something, but in the mean time I thought maybe some of you hard core researchers could possibly help a brother out. I would also like to ask the community if they have any e-books that are acceptable to share via peer to peer that could be made available through this thread for similar research purposes. Links to downloads or offers to send via email would be nice. I think this is a very cost efficient way to build my own library without tracking down out of print publications. For example the Franklin Half guide by Rick Tomaska is one that i really want and my LCS has a signed hard copy but since its not addressed to me that makes little difference and I would rather save the $50 asking price for another coin. As of now I can just print the same book for literally the cost of the ink and the paper to do so, which is what i would like to do. Anyway, if anyone has any other material that isnt listed on DLRC I would be HIGHLY interested in seeing what you have to share. I love all type of coins but mainly focused on earlier US stuff at the moment. If I had to choose these would be my main areas of interest: Seated Coinage of all types Barber quarters and halves SLQ WLH Mercury Dimes Early Proofs IHCs and FE Patterns Peace Dollars Franklins Shield and Liberty Nickels At least thats a start of what I am interested in reading about...... Can anyone help a Brotha out?
great link. i too would love for anyone that knows of numismatic literature in e-book form to post it here.
usually if they post it online like that there no need to print it.. unless your really want a printed copy
Simply preference, oh and I cant just write on a screen relative to the paragraph I am reading for note taking and such, nor can I study the material when I am away from my computer or power outages, or any number of wide reasons, the least being i just dont like absorbing lengthy information staring at a screen and scrolling. However its my prerogative to have a printed copy, and so thats what I intend to do. Im obviously typing on this screen, so Im well aware of how computers work, and im not sure what the relevance of your response was either. I mean I took the time to explain I found the material, i glanced at the material, and wrote up an exact problem that I was having, I just dont get how being condescending towards someone wanting to research was the correct answer here. I mean its obvious I can just read it on a computer if thats what I wanted, but unfortunately that wasnt the gist of the thread, nor what I was asking. Sheesh.
Have you read the David Lawrence published book yet on Barber Halves? Thats the one that sparked all of this for me and I assumed its information was probably pretty good. Havent looked it all the way over yet as I dont like reading screens when trying to really absorb the information I am after. Guess I am 'old school' and just want a bound book to read or at least something tangible in my hands that I can underline, highlight, or make notes about important things in the margins.
Trey - I can guarantee you that at least some of those books found at that link are still under copyright protection and as such it would be illegal to print them out. (DL probably has permission from the authors to make them available on-line.) Also, for what the ink and paper would cost, you could probably just buy the book, especially used copies. As for links to on-line books, try these - http://books.google.com/ http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=atitle&key=A. M.
I wondered about printing it off, but then again it's widely available for free right there at that link, so something had to give. I was under the impression that either DLRC published the books or financed the publishing or just out right purchased the rights to these select publications. I know DLRC's Facebook page told me I could print them when I asked for the link, so I'm thoroughly confused now. Plus how would anyone know if I printed them if I would've never even asked this question? Heck, I wouldn't even have second guessed myself since they were freely available for viewing and recommended through a top tier numismatic company. Like I said, it's a little confusing. If all were in PDF format for printing I could easily print off all 8-10 books I want for a ream of paper and set of ink cartridges. That's like $55 at staples. So I can buy all those books for around that price?!? I don't see that as realistic, even at 2 reams of paper and 2 ink sets I'm only at $110, maybe $125 for the binders too. Im not arguing that I can't find cheaper used books, it was just nice these were all in one place and almost useful to actually print off. Possibly at a better price than buying the books themselves. Also, I like to take notes and I would much rather 'ruin' plain jane paper than an actual book, plus I could always have backup copies since it's free to reprint digitally. Print of any one page as needed or the whole thing over again. I tell ya what, I wish I still had access to the college. There I could print unlimited pages for free. Totally would've been worth it for these.
I checked a few at random, this is what it says - The following excerpt is published courtesy of DLRC Press and its author, David & John Feigenbaum. ............... They are all still covered by copyright. Can you print them off ? Sure. Does that make it legal ? No. Will you get caught ? Is that really the question you should be asking ? As for paper and ink, it'll take a ream of paper just to print 2 books. Based on your cost estimates, you could buy at least 6 if not 10 for the same price.
Couple things, truthfully I never checked the length of each individual book and how much it would take to print them. I just seen that they were like a wiki and you have to go to each subsequent page, never viewing all of the e-book in one fell swoop. Plus people always gripe how expensive old resource guides are so i thought this was a clever way around trying to hunt down out of print material and paying a premium once you found it. Also, alot of programs condense material just for printing, so neither of us really knows at all how much paper it would take because we cant see a set-up geared towards printing at the moment. The second thing is the question about printing and not getting caught. My point there was that if I had taken the instruction of the DLRC representative and had printed (with permission from them) and never posted this thread, then consciously I would have felt in the right and easily seen myself printing them all off with no second thought about it. How would I have known I was in the wrong? How would i still be in the wrong having express permission from the people hosting the material? The question how you worded it seems to imply that I knew I was wrong from the start and that my ethics are skewed for even thinking about printing off an available online resource, when from my standpoint, PRIOR to writing this thread I wouldve felt consciously clear about making a copy. In short, from MY PERSPECTIVE, there was no problem with printing until i penned this topic. Right or wrong, that was my perspective based on how things unfolded. And I am just trying to clarify, as I feel my personal ethics compass points straight for the most part, although everybody needs to learn a few things now and then as evidenced by this thread and my mis-understanding. So my follow-up question to you Doug is where do I fall since I was directed by DLRC to print this material off. Would that be acceptable? Should I follow up with them a little more (like I did on facebook requesting the help of an IT person from DLRC) or should i just drop the whole notion of building a library for myself like this? Oh, and just another little caveat to add. And again this may be my own personal misunderstanding. Is it not ok to copy material with no intentions of exploiting or selling the copied material? I thought there were certain things you could copy as long as you didnt plagiarize the material, or use it somehow for monetary gain by directly using the original material as your own. Basically, if you just wanted it for your own personal reference and didnt try to sell copies of the original I would be alright, or at least thats what i thought, anyway. Kind of like a CD, DVD, or NFL broadcast. You cant copy any of those things to be redistributed or used in a wide spread manner. But its perfectly legal to make a copy for you own needs or as a backup to use later on. So far this thread has been quite educational, not in the sense that I was going for in trying to build a library, but I am learning things and truly do want to clarify for myself so i dont make mistakes in the future.
Just from my experience with books and copyright protection, sometimes authors allow you to print excerpts or single pages, especially for educational/study purposes (e.g. at school) Maybe that's what they meant?
I dont know, heres what transpired between myself and DLRC: followed by this: There last response was like 2 minutes ago
Doug, with that in place so everyone sees how things happened, can you explain why their IT person would seem to think it is ok for folks to print this material if in fact it is Copyright infringement? Just curious as I am quite confused. Thanks
It could be something as simple as that he has no idea if it is legal or not, he might not even suspect he is doing anything wrong. It also could be that maybe the specific book you were asking about is one that DL owns the copyright to, but I seriously doubt their IT guy would have authority to tell you that you may print copyrighted material. It could be I'm completely wrong. You want to find out, I'm pretty sure the President of DL is a member of this forum, I don't know how often he reads it anymore though. But it's easy to contact him - http://www.davidlawrence.com/content.cfm/page/Staff As for the printing issue and costs, I looked up 2 books, each is 200 pages with pictures. A ream of paper is 500 pages. Do the math. And I was not implying anything with my earlier comments, you asked questions, I answered some, and I asked some. What you do or don't do is for you to decide, not me. What I know for a fact is this, you have to have express written permission, in writing, from the copyright holder before you can reproduce copyrighted work. And a chat box doesn't count as permission in writing. That's the law.
That's why I am asking. It's a tough situation and I sought clarification and asked how to proceed instead of continuing the ignorance. Your replies have been very helpful and advice noted and indeed have altered the future on how I approach these types of situations. Like I said from my earlier perspective, I didn't see much wrong. Now I have some further clarity. Much appreciated.
The Numismatic Bibliomania Society is for books and book collectors. They have a free weekly email letter called the "E-Sylum." (Their print journal is The Asylum.) Via the NBS you can meet the most active book sellers I assure you that you can buy these for less than the cost of printing - especially if you include the value of your time. Moreover, you would own a book worth owning and perhaps worth selling. Marking up a book lowers its value... unless the notes are interesting. Think about what it would mean to have a Red Book from Q. David Bowers' own collection with his notes in it. I'm just saying... a hundred years from now... you never know... In the mean time, you have the real honest-to-goodness book for your own use and enjoyment. If you can appreciate error coinage, imagine comparing editions of a standard reference. One more note: I was an an ANA convention on the bourse floor just walking the aisles and a guy turned around to walk away from a table and face-to-face it was David Lange. "David Lange?! I have your book on Mercury Dimes!" (versus: "David Lange, I downloaded a free copy of your book and printed it off at home.") Authors are people, too.
If you own a CD, DVD etc you can legally make a copy for your own use/backup. Borrowing someone else's CD, DVD etc and making a copy for your own use is not legal. And if you were to sell or give away your CD, DVD etc, legally you are not permitted to keep those backup copies you made.
