Counterstamped Indian

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Arizona Jack, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Going thru some Indian Cents this evening, found this one, OUCH, a better date too !
     

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  3. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    Very neat, I love counterstamped coins. Especially the one's that were made into advertisements.
     
  4. CappedBustDimes

    CappedBustDimes Senior Member

    I once owned an 1877 IH 1c with an identical stamp in the the exact same location. I believe they quite rare because at the time Brunk did not have this mark listed and stated later that only 2 others had been reported at the time, both were on on IH cents.

    What does the reverse look like?
     
  5. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    like this

    Interesting, only a cpl known ? 1877 WOW? Well, at least I'm in good company I guess, lol
     

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  6. topcover

    topcover Change 'Ho

    Wow, very cool Jack!
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Very nice counterstamp!
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Just out of curiosity, if you were to counterstamp coins today would the Secret Service be all over you?

    I've seen newer coins with stickers on them, but that's not damage.

    And back in the early '60s people were painting red skullcaps on Washington on the quarter. JFK had just been elected President and he was Catholic. Made Washington look like the pope. But again, that wasn't damage.
     
  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    kanga:
    I do believe that it is not necessarily illegal to degace US coins, unless the intent is to deceive.
    Check out all of the 'painted' states quarters that are constantly for sale, including gold plated ones.

    Also, you mneitoned the painting of the quarters in the '60's.
    That was done by store owners to put into juke boxes, to start up the playing.
    They would get their coins back when the change was collected by the owner of the juke box.
     
  10. topcover

    topcover Change 'Ho

    Painting any coin should be considered defacing and should be made illegal. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Don't we have enough laws?
     
  12. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    Too bad about that stamp!
    nice date too, could sell for a few bucks if it didnt have it.

    Im not really a fan of them...
    but anyways... PM Sent, regarding Indians.... Indian Head cents that is.
     
  13. Brit in Texas

    Brit in Texas Senior Member

  14. Soda Ant

    Soda Ant Senior Member

  15. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    If counterstamping a coin is a misdemeanor then I suppose making an elongated cent (aka smashed penny) would be a felony. :eek:
     
  16. Pocket Change

    Pocket Change Coin Collector

    Good point about elongated cents.

    In addition, I'm not a lawyer, but I think there is the "intent" and the"letter" of the law. In other words, it might be illegal to deface a coin, but if it's for a souvenir or to keep track of your quarters (on a very small basis), and so on and so forth, no one is going to rattle your cage.

    As I think TreasHunt said, when you start to try to "fool" people, then you're getting into a gray area.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Counterstamping, defacing, painting, altering for the coin are all perfectly legal as long as there is no intent to defraud with one exception. It IS illegal to place advertising upon the coin and then reintroduce it into circulation. I believe it was United artists that got in trouble with that with their colorized quarter promotion for the Fantastic Four movie sequel Rise of the Silver Surfer.

    US Code Title 18 Sec 475

    Fine is $500. If they made it $500 per offense that could mount up pretty quickly. (They did 40,000 silver surfer quarters for a potential of $20 million in fines. I don't think any actual fines were levied though.)

    An ad for a location or event on an elongated coin is legal because they are not being reintroduced into circulation.
     
  18. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I've counterstamped many thousands of coins and I haven't heard a peep from the Secret Service.
     
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