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  1. IMP Shogun

    IMP Shogun Well-Known Member

    Happy Friday (for a few minutes here in NY!)

    Augusta Treverorum, now modern Trier was a very important Roman city particular in the time of Constantine.

    The abundance and quality of coinage likely reflects that success. Particularly early under Constantine.

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    RIC 781

    7.032 Constantine Follis Treveri resized.jpg
    RIC VII 44

    I'd love to see your Treveri minted coins
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  3. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Yes. The die engravers were quite skilled. Even this common coin has a sense of balance and elegance to it.

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  4. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Here is a Trier VOT type from CTer @tenbobbit who sent me a huge batch of ancients last fall. This one is one of my favorites - for reasons I cannot explain, I really like off-center ancients. The portrait on this one is exceptional for its somewhat cartoonish look - the giant eye and the tiny hooked nose; not the mint's most realistic portraiture, but charming, I think:

    Constantine I - Trier VOT X wreath DS lot Oct 2021 (0).jpg
    Constantine I Æ 18
    (323-324 A.D.)
    Trier Mint

    around, VOT • X within laurel wreath, PTR in exergue.
    RIC VII Treveri 430.
    (4.39 grams / 18 mm)
    @tenbobbit Oct. 2021 Lot

    This one's smiling, with a huge ear:

    Constantine I - Trier SOL INV NC lot Aug 2020 (0).jpg
    Constantine I Æ 19
    (313-315 A.D.)
    Trier mint

    CONSTANTINVS P F AVG, laureate cuirassed bust right. / SOLI INVIC-TO COMITI, Sol standing left, chlamys over left shoulder, right hand raised, holding globe in left hand. T-F across fields, PTR in ex.
    RIC VII Treveri 47 (see note).
    (2.91 grams / 19 mm)
    eBay Aug. 2020
    Attribution Notes:
    "NOTE re seemingly identical AE coins under Trier RIC VI and Trier RIC VII: Weight: Most AE Folles of RIC VI: 6.5-8.5 gr;
    Half-Folles approx. 4.2-4.5 gr.
    AE Folles in RIC VII: 3.8-4.9 gr.
    Despite the weight overlap this information is usually sufficient to determine the correct RIC volume." Wildwinds

    Crispus, with an itty-bitty arm:

    Crispus Altar Sep. 2017 (0).jpg
    Crispus Æ 20
    (322-323 A.D.)
    Trier Mint

    IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES Laureate, cuirassed bust left, spear over shoulder & shield / BEATA TRANQVILLITAS altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX, globe and three stars above, •PTR• in exergue.
    (2.15 grams / 20 mm)
    RIC VII, 374 Trier
    eBay Sept. 2017
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  5. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Here's a few. I need to improve the photography. @IMP Shogun your photos are excellent! How do you take them to get dark coins to be lit so well? Mine are both too dark and too light on the highlights (they're very glossy coins).
    Trier RIC VII 135a
    Trier RIC VII 135b
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  6. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Nice coins all. Trier gives such a lot of variety and are stylistically appealing.....

    Here in another earyish Constantine.

    RIC VI Trier 770


    I have a personal liking for Mars types and Trier gives plenty of options......

    RIC VI Trier 881

    The normal Mars type is - Mars standing, right, holding spear and leaning on shield

    RIC VI Trier 885
    RIC VI Trier 897 (Half Follis)
    RIC VII Trier 80
    RIC VII Trier 114

    Occasionally you get sub varities - "Mars helmeted, in military dress, spread cloak, standing, right, looking left, holding reversed spear, left hand leaning on shield"

    RIC VII Trier 115 var (Reverse legend break, N-S break is R5. This reverse legend break is known from a single example in Vienna for RIC 117)

    Of course there is the Sol type too and plenty of variety there, I will just share a standard type

    RIC VII Trier 161
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  7. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Lovely examples shown...
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    Constantine II, as Caesar. 317-337 AD. AE Follis (2.54 gm, 20mm). Treveri (Trier) mint. Struck 323-324 AD.
    Obv.: CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, laureate head right.
    Rev.: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, VOT/X in two lines across field; all within wreath; PTR (crescent). RIC VII 441; Schulten Em. 27.
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That second one in the OP looks UNC. Such sharp detail on the hair!
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  9. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    From my first lot of ancient coins, that brought me into this hobby - there were 4 Treveri coins.

    Here are the ones I find interesting

    3.54 g 17.5 mm
    Constantine I (306-337 AD) for Constantinus II Caesar. AE Nummus Treveri, c. 322.
    Obv. CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, Laureate bust to left, wearing ornate trabea, holding Victory on globe in right hand and parazonium in left.
    Rev. BEATA TRANQVILLITAS, Large globe on an altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX; three stars above, •STR• dot in exergue.
    RIC 382


    11.13 g 26.2 mm
    Constantius I, as Caesar, Æ Nummus. Treveri, AD 298-299. FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB C, laureate bust left / GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius, towered and nude to waist, standing facing, head turned left, holding cornucopiae with his left hand, patera in his right hand; A- gamma across fields, TR in exergue. RIC 196
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  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Shogun, Those are two nice scores :happy:. What are the weight & diameters o_O? Pictured below are a few from my collection.

    Constantine I, 27 mm, 9.50 gm, AD 306-7, RARE.jpg
    Constantine I as Caesar, AD 306-309 (struck AD 306-early 307). Trier Mint, 1st Officina. AE Nummus: 9.50 gm, 27 mm, 7 h. RIC VI 666a.

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    Constantine I as Caesar, AD 306-309 (struck summer AD 307), Trier Mint, 1st Officina. AE Nummus: 8.73 gm, 29 mm, 6 h. RIC VI 719b. Ex CNG Inventory 774824, July 2006.

    Constantine I, RIC VI, p. 218, 775-8.jpg

    Constantine I as Augustus, AD 307-337 (struck AD 307/8). Trier Mint, 1st Officina. Reverse: Mars with shield & spear. AE Nummus: 6.65 gm, 26 mm, 6 h. RIC VI 776. Ex Spink 169, lot 117 (part of), July 2004.

    1884238-013, AK Collection.jpg

    NGC 4277731-043 Al Kowsky Collection.jpg

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  11. IMP Shogun

    IMP Shogun Well-Known Member

    It’s the old “How do you get to Carnegie Hall” answer: practice. Proper lighting is really important as you indicate but exposure too. I’ve shamelessly copied other members of this forum on how to take macro photos - camera setups, settings and lighting.

    If you are using lights they need to be diffused to avoid that harsh lighting vs the dark glossy patina. But your pictures do show all the devices for identification so they look good to me!
  12. IMP Shogun

    IMP Shogun Well-Known Member

    PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS is 26mm 8.87g

    Better call Sol I totally messed up and misattributed it is:
    From the Caesar_Augustus collection RIC VII Treveri 101
    the later reformed 20.5mm 3.37g that we all know and love. Apologies for that, the price you pay when you dull your senses with a pair of old fashioned.

    I can't edit the first post so hopefully this will suffice.

    Here's another of the former:
    7.034 RIC VI 781 Constantine Follis.jpg
    RIC VI 781 25.0mm 8.11g
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  13. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Hi Mike,
    That's an interesting coin, but I think it has to be unofficial.

    It's strange that RIC 430 exists as a listed type at all since it's at best a mule - pairing an obverse of Constantine I with a reverse (CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, VOT X) meant for the caesars.

    What gives these away as unofficial vs mules is the bust style, which generally is not at all what would be expected for Constantine.

    This is an interesting time period, with Constantine having delegated control of Britanniae and Galliae (mints of London, Trier and Lyons) to Crispus, who showed a good deal of independence in his coinage rather than following his father in lockstep.

    First we have Constantine, from his mints, issuing VOT XX, VOT V (for the augusti and caesars respectively), while at the same time Crispus instead issues BEATA TRANQVILlITAS for all parties from his mints, with Constantine's vows (VOT-IS XX) relegated to an altar inscription.

    A little later Constantine switches from VOT V to VOT X for the caesars, while continuing VOT XX for himself, and this time Crispus partially goes along issuing VOT X for himself and Constantine II, but again ignoring Constantine's VOT XX type and instead issuing the SARMATIA DEVICTA type for Constantine.

    So, given this pattern, there's really no room for an intentional vota type issued by Crispus for Constantine, and if RIC 430 was a mule we'd expect to see an obverse matching the style of the SARMATICA type alongside which it would have been issued.

    I think the reason RIC lists 430 as a type, despite being a muled pairing, is because it is more common than one might otherwise expect, but in fact it seems this is due to the prevalence of unofficial coinage at this time (taking advantage of the official coinage's tariffing reflecting a 4-5% silver content, vs 0% for unofficial copies).

    Here's a couple more examples:

    eBay - clearly barbaric bust style:


    Cambridge Fitzwilliam museum - bust does look like mint/period correct Constantine, but lettering tends to give it away as unofficial.


    For bust comparison to that Fitzwilliam coin, here's my SARMATIA (struck alongside the VOT X type).


    Some of the unofficial coins with Trier mintmarks really are in very good style. Here's a couple of VOT XX examples of mine (a type not officially issued at Trier at all!).



    I especially like the second one where the engraver has thrown in some palm leaves for good measure, no doubt inspired by Aquiliea and Rome who had done the same. One factor that gives this coin away as unofficial are the different beaded edge (PRD) diameters of obverse and reverse. The bust style is very good for Trier, but more for the following campgate series, not this exact time period.
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  14. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Nice Trier coins, everyone! I'm fond of the mint too.

    Here's a couple of Constantine's QVIES types, recognizing the retirement of Diocletian and Maximianus.

    Diocletian - RIC VII Trier 699, 307 AD


    Despite the plural "AVGVSTORM" reverse, this type only exists for Diocletian, so presumably was issued after Maximianus had already come back out of retirement and was in cahoots with Constantine.

    Maximianus - RIC VII Trier 788, 308-309 AD


    After Maximianus' brief-ish "2nd reign" he was finally forced back into retirement by Galerius and Diocletian (who had been invited, out of retirement, to lend some authority to the event) at the Carnuntum conference in 11-308, and Constantine duly issued this type for him.
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    That is very interesting! Thank you for providing that information, @Heliodromus - I have updated my attribution accordingly and saved your post to my attribution files. The portrait is indeed rather un-Constantine-like, and I can see how that is more of a "Caesar" reverse type.

    Since I have a SARMATIA DEVICTA type from Trier, I'll share it here - with its much more plausible, Constantine-like bust:

    Constantine - Trier Sarmatia lot Aug 2020 (0a).jpg
    Constantine I Æ 18
    (323-324 A.D.)
    Trier mint

    CONSTANTINVS AVG laureate head right. / SARMATIA DEVICTA, Victory advancing right, holding trophy and palm branch, spurning captive on ground right, STR-crescent in ex.
    RIC VII Trier 435 S.
    (2.73 grams / 18 mm)
    eBay Aug. 2020
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  16. Shea19

    Shea19 Supporter! Supporter

    Very nice new pickups…I always like the style of coins from this era from Trier. Here is a recent addition of Crispus from Trier with some nice detail on the reverse.


    Crispus, AE Follis(19 mm, 2.79 g), Treveri (Trier) 317-318. FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Crispus to right. Rev.PRINCIPI•IVVENTVTIS / F - T / STR Crispus, as prince of the youth, standing front in military attire, head to right, holding inverted spear in his right hand and globe in his left. RIC 171

    And a Constantine campgate form Trier:

    E655C57E-DCE9-4DCA-9277-AD9C45FA397D.png Constantine I, AE Follis, Treveri(Trier), CONSTAN-TINVS AVG Laureate head of Constantine I to right./ Rev. PROVIDENTIAE AVGG / PTR(pellet-in-crescent) Campgate with two turrets, star above. RIC VII 475
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  17. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    Here is the reverse of a solidus of Valens. I love how the two emperors are portrayed differently. I believe the senior emperor is crowned, while the junior on the left (viewer’s right) has a simpler diadem. A testimony to the skill of the die engravers of Treveri.
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  19. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    I like these folles from the first tetrarchy. Here are some partially silvered GENIO POPVLI coins from the Trier mint.

    Galerius as Caesar, AD 293-305.
    Roman silvered billon follis, 8.62 g, 27.2 mm, 6 h.
    Trier, AD 302-3.
    Obv: MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C, laureate and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing facing, head left, wearing modius, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae; S/F//IITR.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 196, 508b; Cohen 65; RCV 14348.
    Notes: Some numismatists postulate that the S F in the fields of these coins from Trier is an abbreviation for SAECVLI FELICITAS.

    Constantius I, Caesar, 293-305.
    Roman billon follis, 9.95 g, 26.6 mm, 11 h.
    Trier, AD 296-97.
    Obv: CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES, laureate head right.
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae; A/Γ//TR.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 183, 218a; Cohen 61; RCV 14035.
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  20. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Great coins shown here. The Trier mint produced wonderful coins even before Constantine:

    Here is my retirement follis of Diocletian from Trier:

    Mint: Trier
    Date: May 305- early 307
    RIC 673a.

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  21. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    This coin I bought in the recent Peus auction. I showed it in a different thread, but here is the full description

    Mint: Trier
    Date: 307
    Measurements: 7.92g, 28.2mm
    RIC VI, p. 212, 725; C. 358; Voetter p. 391, unter Nr. 25-33; Hunter V, p. 160
    Ex: Münzhandlung Ritter, Düsseldorf, 5.11.2004.

    I don't yet have the coin, but I like the naturalistic depiction of Mars. Also the coin has a large diameter.

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