Constantine II with Good Bones

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Bing, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I saw this at auction and was amazed at the quality and detail. I was able to make an offer and get it under listing price.

    Constantine II AE3 Follis
    OBV: FL CL CONSTANTINVS IVN N C, bare-headed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    REV: PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS, the prince in military dress standing right, holding globe and spear, F-T across fields, mintmark BTR
    Struck at Trier, 317-8 AD
    RIC VII 173
    Constantine II 20 OBV_opt.jpg Constantine II 20 REV_opt.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice, wonderful details. Especially the reverse.
     
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great addition. Yeah, the reverse looks cool.
     
  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    oh yeah, super coin....:thumb:
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's an exceptional coin in terms of detail and color. Well-done!

    For Constantine II, I have this little follis, which is one of my favorite LRBs...

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  7. shanhartzell

    shanhartzell Member

    1-DSC07341.jpg 1-DSC07344.jpg Thank you Bing your ancient link helped me attirbute this one.............CONSTANTIUS II AE3 RIC VIII 267
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It is not good form to quote an RIC number without mentioning either the mint city or the page in volume VIII since the volumes in that era start the numbers over again for each mint. I did not make a full search of the mints to find which 267 you might think this is but I'll throw it out there to ask if anyone else agrees with the ID given and wishes to expand on it. My first impression of the partial reverse is RIC 118 page 458 but I'm open to other opinions for those with more experience on partial legend coins. All I read is ...NSE. Anyone?
     
  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => welcome shanhartzell ... yah, it's a tough crowd every now and then, eh?!!

    ;)

    => welcome, coin-brother!!

    I have a Constantine-II example ... may I?



    Constantine II open door campgate follis
    Minted 325-326
    Diameter: 19.0 x 20.9 mm
    Weight: 3.1 grams
    Obverse: Constantine II right, CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C
    Reverse: 12 row campgate with open doors, 4 turrets and star above, VIRTVS CAESS, TA(crescent)RL in exergue
    Reference: RIC VII:294 for Arles
    Other: Exquisite detail (EF) ... Minimal surface roughness … Scarce

    constantine II rocks a.jpg constantine II rocks b.jpg



     
  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    shanman: I have to agree with Doug on this one. What I can see in the mintmark "ns" and what looks like it is probably an epsilon or "e". That leads us to think it is probably "CONSE" making it minted in Constantinople, workshop E. Checking Helvitica's lists, the only attribution is RIC VIII 118. If it's any consolation, Helvitica's lists this a "R" for rare for whatever that is worth. BTW. welcome here. We'll look forward to other postings from you.

    Jerry: Hey, no comments on my coin? Putz! :grandpa:
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, sorry my friend => I guess that I figured my coin-comments would be merely inferred??

    => "awesome coin ... absolutely awesome coin, my good friend!!"

    Ummm, but "Putz" is a bit much ...

    I love ya!!

    Cheers

    :cheers:
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Isn't it interesting how this mint chose to separate the letters of ARL with the crescent rather than using it to separate the workshop letter and the city mark?

    This site limits photos to five per post so I had to be a little picky here. You will note that my definition of picky generally does not involve condition and none of my coins are Steve's level of gorgeous. Who will say one or more of mine don't belong here? Constantine II is hard because many of his more interesting types came while Crispus was alive and he was a minor factor. After Crispus died and he became heir apparent, most coins were the relatively boring two soldier types. Still, I felt it necessary to show one of them that is a little unusual.
    rx5810b01878lg.jpg rx5840bb0927.jpg rx5845bb0987.jpg rx5880bb0917.jpg rx5960b00226lg.jpg

    Randy know which of these is my favorite. We traded so I could have it.

    Feel free to ID any of these you wish. I believe I am correct on all but am always open to corrections.
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    You're right, Jerry. Putz was too strong. How about schmuck?
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I'm too tired to work on attributions at the moment, but the campgate with the Lilliputian bust is my favorite.
     
  15. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    That's definitely a nice Constantine II coin. I like the reverse engraving style quite a bit. The obverse is good, but not so much.
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Coin 2, CLARITAS REIPVB, is my favorite.
     
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    OK, let me ask, what does everyone think a coin like this is worth in the market today?
     
  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I assume you're referring to your coin. I don't know that much about the market, but I would be willing to fork out at least $50 for it, maybe up to $70. That's if I found the piece on vcoins and absolutely HAD to have it, and the dealer refused to take a smaller offer. If it were listed on eBay, I'd bid $50 tops.

    That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see it get bid up to $100 on the bay.
     
  19. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    I came to the same conclusion as John Anthony for a price, about $50 - $70 based on other examples I've seen. Maybe $30-$40 for a good deal.
     
  20. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I might be undervaluing it. Gitbud Naumann and York have examples of the coin from $140 to $200, and in some ways I like your example than the two I see for sale. It's a scarcer reverse type, so maybe my valuation should be kicked up by $50.
     
  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ... hey, thanks for the coin-compliment, Doug ...

    => your coins are marvelous!!
     
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