Connecticut Cents

Howdy fellow coin peeps,

Here's one of my newest colonial coins to be added to my colonial collection:








It's a 1787 M37.8-K.2 Connecticut Cent (R-5) and it is very interesting, when compared to other Connecticut Cents. Most Conns only have period or colon stops and sometimes cinquifoils afterwards, this one has the colon stops but interesting ornaments too. The little flower like ornaments are called Fleurons but I have no clue what the little double squigglys are called on the reverse. I spoke with someone that is more knowledgeable on colonials and he said that the little squigglys are very unique and their purpose is unknown but probably symbolize something, but what? There's also a full dash separating the ET-LIB and that is also not the norm.

There is apparent delamination on the obverse @ K11 and my friend believes the die clash look on the reverse may have also been caused by a delaminated planchet, but not sure. The one shown on CoinFacts has what appears to be a line between the head & staff, which could have been the early stages of a clashed die but if it is a die clash, the dies clashed again and it got worse. I don't know if it will ever be known what happened but who cares, the only thing that matters is the damage was caused during minting or a poor planchet, so it doesn't hurt the coin's overall grade.

This is now one of my favorite Conns and I have 6 now and 3 in route that I haven't attributed yet. The six I have so far are:

1787 M4-L (multiple struck)
1787 M37.8-K-2 (off center strike)
1788 M12.1-E
1788 M12.1-F.1
1788 M13-A.1 (off center strike)
1788 M16.4-L.2

I also found out last night that some of the rarity ratings on the Conns have been recently adjusted and the rarity ratings listed on CoinFacts are outdated and on my newest addition, CoinFacts lists it as an R-3, which is perfectly fine with me but it's been raised recently by someone but I can't remember that person's name (listed in one of the recent major auction catalogs). Another thing I found out is many of the Conns are technically counterfeits, since many were minted without proper authority :whistle: and there is around 350 varieties. :rolling:

When my new ones get in and I've attributed them, I'll post them. :thumb: Plus, I'll post pics of the other five in subsequent posts in this thread, since I think I've missed posting a few of them but I don't know which ones, so I'll just post them all.

Ribbit

Ps: On my multiple struck 1787 M4-L, which is known as the Horned Bust Variety, I found out a little while ago that the die clash, that created the horn, occurred early on with the dies so ones missing the horn are very rare and mine is missing the horn (third party verification) and, on top of that, it's been struck at least twice but I believe it was struck three or four times, which is rare in of itself. So mine, if it was struck more than twice, is mega rare and since it's also missing the horn, it's probably one of a kind for that variety.

I really love the Connecticut Cents, with all of their funky planchet problems and clashed dies and misspelled words and different bust types and . . . .

 

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I like it toad very interesting coin, and very informative post. I would assume this is a pretty rare coin R3 ,and with the clash marks too. How much is that coin worth with that kind of rarity rating ? I remember you said you had a holed Fugio cent I may have misunderstood you,but if you do, i would like to see it, please post it if you can. Nice thread Thanks.:high5:


Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:

 

I posted my holed Fugio in that other thread and I'll find it and post the link. As to rarity, it has been redesignated as a R-5, which is much better than a R-3. As to value, I don't have a clue. This series is only collected aggressively by a few, compared to other colonial series, so there isn't a good market trend to base value on. The best way to get what it's worth, is a proper attribution and selling it at one of the major colonial auctions, like the one that's going down next month somewhere on the east coast (I forgot where). :goofer:

Ribbit

Ps: I have another Fugio coming in next week.

 

Here are my other Connecticut Cents:

1787 M4-L (multiple struck):






1788 M12.1-E:






1788 M12.1-F.1:

(no pics yet - will add Sunday)


1788 M13-A.1 (off center strike - CONNLC variety):






1788 M16.4-L.2:






Ribbit

Ps: Here's the thread with my holed Fugio:

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=42255

Pps: I had another Fugio come in today, that I forgot was coming, so I will post it soon.

Ppps: The Fugio I was expecting next week, also came in today.

 

Toad:
Great coins.
That 1787 M4-L (multiple struck) is great.

Looks like 3 strikes?

 

One of these days I'll send it off to an expert and get them to properly attribute it, to include how many known strikes. This variety was known for double strikes but triple or more are very rare, so if it is triple or more, the price goes through the roof. Plus, toss in the "no horn" situation, and the price will probably be ridiculous. :goofer:

Ribbit

 

Nice coins Toad!

 

Nice coins, Toad! Have you got any Massachusetts pennies or 1/2 pennies to show us? Those are my favorite.

-StephenS

 

Thanks for posting the holed fugio thread. I saw that one already nice coin.I have to say that is a great find, for a ground find. I think you gave me some incentive to get my metal detector out again and start searching. I live upstate Ny near old farms etc etc I have a great oppotunity to find some real good coins ,and civil war artifacts. I did find some coins, but not anything like a fugio.


Thanks for giving me the incentive again my friend:thumb:encil:

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle::whistle:

 

I've only got two Massachusetts Cents and no Half-Cents yet but I have a couple in route and currently bidding on a Half-Cent so I may have one of them shortly. :thumb: I post them next week.

Ribbit

Ps: I've also got 10 New Jersey Cents (7 different varieties) & 6 Fugios.

 

Yes Toad, i like your coins too and i appreciate (and share) your passion for early american colonial coins. Bewildering the number of Connecticut copper varieties! i got one too which i bought when i was in the US this summer, all i know is that is the head right variety.
Have you any Vermont landscapes types? I find those really appealing.
Regards,
Eduard

 

You live where they are but I don't. My local coin shop has one Connecticut Cent, poor grade at that, and no other colonial coins and no Draped Bust Cents so I rely on the internet to acquire mine, which is cheaper so it works.

If I lived where you do, I'd be out detecting any chance I could and I'd also be researching for great Independence War locations to search, since they would yield the older coins. But Civil War locations work too.

Ribbit

 

I don't have a single Vermont yet but plan on getting one when I can. I also want to get a Nova Eborac and several others.

As to your Connecticut, post pics and I'll see if I can figure out the variety. :thumb: Plus, we all want to see it. :kewl:

Ribbit

 

I have a question toad on the first post the 1787 Connecticut cent, don;t you think this guy needs a nose job. How doe;s PCGS or any coin grading company look at this ,doe's the grade go down or what i;m very confussed about this

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:

 

Are you asking about the original post (1787 M37.8-K.2) or the later post (1787 M4-L)?

Ribbit

 

The original post ( M 37 8-K-2)

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle:

 

That's the way his nose was:

http://coinfacts.com/colonial_coins..._coppers/1787_ct_copper_miller_37.08_k.02.htm

Compare it to that one on CoinFacts.

Ribbit

 

FYI - the better Fugio that came in today is a N12-S.

http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/fugio_cents/fugio_cent_n012_S.htm

I'll post it Sunday.

Ribbit

Ps: I may not be able to attribute the other Fugio? But I will try! :kewl:

 

:headbang:I can;t wait NOW NOW RIBBIT:desk:


Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:

 

The other one is a N19-SS but I don't know the rarity. CoinFacts doesn't list it and I can't find one on Heritage so I'll have to rely on someone with a recent Auction Catalog with one in it. :bow:

Ribbit

Ps: It's listed in Breen's Encyclopedia as Rare. So that makes 2 rare Fugios that came in today.