colorado error..but what is it?

Hi Ya All.. I need some help with this one.. I put it on ebay as a...well I said Im not sure..grins
and Im not sure what it is, but i am sure it did come out of a bag of coins I just got from the mint. and I swear it came looking like this.. kind of looks ground down..but then not reallly..so...guys what is it??

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

Why are you trying to sell a post-mint damaged coin with an "I don''t know" copout?

 

It could be something like a partial clip or such....I'm not sure and maybe Mike can help.

Speedy

 

I'd go with post mint as there is no metal flow into the void area as would be the case if the planchet had a void pre strike.

 

copout
Now WHY would I bring something here and try to lie about it.. how dare you say something like that to me.. as much as I have come here for advice/help.. I said I got that out of a mint bag of Quarters.. and I did.. I come here to find out what it might be. I figure if it come from the mint this way, it must be some kind of error, I kind of thought a partial clip, that just wasn't cut out all the way, shoot !!! I have no ideal what it is, and I thought someone here would.. but I never thought someone YOU would say I wasn't telling the truth..
not very nice of you!!!!!!
Now.. Hear This ... I Really did get it out of the bag, looking just like this, in fact I have another one like it, just not cut this much.. I thought something like this might be worth a lot, and if it is I sure would like to know, Can someone here please tell me what it is or isn't?

 

what they are saying is that this damage got done AFTER the coin was produced - which carries no numismatic premium. in other words, anybody can do a thing like this to a coin.

another thing that they are saying is that it is NOT NICE AND FAIR in numismatic community to sell a coin on ebay which is not really valuable (in this case, 25 cents) with saying that you don't know what it is but it might be valuable

 

I'm really not sure if this is damage done after or before it was minted---true that it doesn't make it an error even when it comes out of a Mint bag but this is interesting....

Speedy

 

Ok I hear U All... & I understand.. You now Please understand me.. I didn't put this on ebay to try to sell a worthless coin.. I put it on there because I do think it's an error of some-kind..I don't know what, but there are a lot of people on ebay who do know Error Coins.. much better then I do, There are a lot of experts that do ebay..I thought one might know what this error was.
I don't know what this is... U tell me.. What happened to this coin on the way from the mint???
Thats why I have it here to find out for sure...
It just don't look like something someone did to me.. It looks different, I get bags of these coins every time a new one comes out..and I see a lot of bang up's but I never seen one that looks like this.. not ever
I wish there was someone I could send photos of these weird coins too and ask ..but there isn't..
So once in a while..like now, when im pretty sure it is something.... I bring them here to get help...
Mike... Help....
When he looks at it, and if he tells me it's nothing.. then I'll take it off ebay..
ok :smile

 

This appears to be post-strike mint damage. Coins can get horribly damaged inside the Mint between striking and bagging. Unfortunately, post-strike mint damage is no more valuable than damage that occurs outside the mint. Examine the rim on the obverse face directly across from the defect. If it shows weakness, then I would immediately change my assessment to pre-strike damage. A strong design rim in this area would confirm the diagnosis of post-strike damage.

 

Thank You Mike.. for taking the time to look at this for me..
May I ask what you mean by *weakness*

 

But why would you put it up on eBay before you knew what it was? You couldn't wait a day or so to find out if it really was an error and not just damage? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until you can put it up with a proper identification as an error with a knowledgeable explaination rather than put it up as a possible error, claim no knowledge, and then if it just turns out to be damage you come across looking foolish?

 

Yes, Your right a foolish thing I did... It's not the first...and im pretty sure not the last...
Well Not that it matters... but I put it on, because I was in a rush, house full of... ,
well like I said matters not why
here is the front..close up.. I guess this is what Mike said would make the difference.
does it make any difference? please let me know if it's an error..
I'll go take it off ebay now.. Thanks for everything..everyone

 

That picture guarantees that the mark is POST-striking damage.

Here is an example of what the weakness he was talking about looks like:

This the reverse of a 1865 3 cent nickel that was struck from a severely defective reverse die. The huge "unstruck/broken" looking section on the rim from 9:00 to 10:30 is a big die cud where the reverse die was completely broken and it failed to strike the coin with any pressure there.


This caused a weakness on the obverse opposite of the die cud (from 7:30 to 9:00). This weakness is seen as a slight rounding of the rim and of a nearly complete lack of dentils (the little tick-marks around the rim) in the affected area.


If your coin's planchet had been damaged pre-strike then the lack of enough metal in that area of the coin would have meant that opposite the damage there wouldn't have been enough pressure to strike the rim and lettering in that area fully, but since yours shows full detail in the area, it is concluded that the damage must have occurred after the coin was struck.

I hope this helps you understand.

 

by the way, isn't that some fabulous clashing on that 3CN! and then the die cud to boot! I picked it up for a song since the dealer thought the clashing/cud was too detracting, I couldn't have been happier.

 

Could this coin have gotten jammed in the counter when it was getting counted for bagging? I agree that something has happened after the coin was minted from looking at the pictures.

 

Who knows. Someone might take the bag and it got rough handled, i.e. bashed against a concrete wall.

 

or it slipped off the pallet and the pallet fell on it, or it got caught between a couple of machines...

 

Cave Troll,

The next time you visit the Dealer, see if he has anymore similar coins that he thinks are distracting! If so, I will buy all of them!


Frank

 

Most 3 cent copper nickels have die clashing, I had a great 1866 die clased 3 cent.

 

I have seen plastic parts on a conveyor get caught at the edge of the belt and just sit there in the crevice with the belt steadily grinding away at the part. These plastic parts have identicle markings as your quarter. Perhaps the mint uses conveyors or some other moveing machinery that could have made this post mint/strike damage. Good luck, keep searching and most of all,,,have fun.