Coins of the First Tetrarchy. Diocletian, etc.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I am announcing a new educational site, "Introduction to Roman Coins of the First Tetrarchy: Diocletian, Maximian, Constantius, and Galerius."

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/index.html

    It has links to several other pages, some previously existing, about related coins. One is a another new page on coins of the abdication of Diocletian and Maximian:

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/retirement.html

    Here is one abdication piece on that page:

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    Diocletian, 284-305
    25-24 mm. 6.96 grams.
    DN DIOCLETIANO BEATISS
    Diocletian in imperial mantle holding olive branch and mappa
    PROVIDENTIA DEORVM
    S
    X K in middle field
    ALE in exergue
    RIC VI Alexandria 80 "c. later 308"
    This type is only from Alexandria.

    If you want to learn something about the coins of First Tetrarchy, now you can at that site.

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  3. Xodus

    Xodus Well-Known Member

    That's so cool. I've never seen any coins of Dio with those attributes before. Very cool bits of history on that page too. I didn't know about the co-Ceasars. I thought they learned their lesson after Geta/Caracalla lol
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We have had several threads on these lately so I am not sure what I have shown and what not. While not high grade, I enjoy this London mint, dative case Senior Augustus follis of Maximianus. I liked the portrait style so I bought it.
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  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Phenomenal new site, Warren!! I look forward to spending a lot of time with it.

    Here's a new one for me, a rare early Diocletian-only antoninianus, dated to 284 by RIC:

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    Gotta run, but I'll pop in a few other things later...
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Looking forward to reading through it. Thanks!
     
  7. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    My favorites are the post-abdication, Senior Augustus series which evidence how the tetrarchy was supposed to work until power grabs got in the way. Below are two from my collection:

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  8. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    What a great site! Well done, and thank you for sharing :)

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  9. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    Warren, Thank you. This is an excellent site. I'm just beginning to rebuild my collection of large folles of the tetrarchy and this has references and information about many of the types on my want list. Here is a recent addition - A follis of Severus from Carthage: SeverusII-Kart-RIC40a-blk.jpg
     
  10. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Excellent site - I use it often.. thank you!

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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I have a similar post-abdication one of Maximian with Providentia and Quies:

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    Maximian, post-abdication, AD 305-306
    Roman billon follis, 8.26 g, 25 mm, 1 h.
    Antioch, AD 305-306.
    Obv: D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust, right, wearing consular robes and holding branch and mappa.
    Rev: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding down-facing branch and resting on scepter; I in field between them, ANT: in exergue.
    Refs: RIC 77b, Cohen 489, RCV 13414.
     
  12. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I'm intrigued by the unusual denominations from this period. Here's a pre-reform quinarius, presumably among the last of this denomination, from before the elevation of Maximian. It's the same type as the opening coin on Warren's new site:

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    RIC 195(R2), VICTORIA AVG, 1.83g

    And here's a coin that might be the last denarius. It's the lightest early post-reform issue and contains no silver. (Is it the same denomination as the "1/8 folles" Warren describes here? Maybe.) As Warren notes on his site, at this point the denarius ("denarius communis") was either exclusively or almost exclusively a unit of accounting rather than an actual coin. But if any denomination at this time is a denarius, this is it:
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    RIC 27a(R2), VTILITAS PVBLICA, Utilitas standing facing, head left, hands in drapery. 1.42g, 16.5mm. Ticinum mint.

    Here's an antoninianus/aurelianus issued by Carausius. Warren has one from the London mint on his site, this one is the "C" mint (Colchester?):
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    Here's another Diocletian coin issued by a usurper, in this case Domitius Domitianus in Alexandria:
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    Follis, RIC 18a, ex Dattari

    That last one is from the second issue of folles at Alexandria. I've like to assemble a mint set of first issue folles in Diocletian's name only, but I've found they aren't that easy to come by. Here's one:

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    Heraclea, RIC 12a, first issue follis (ex Dattari)

    It seems I can't get enough Diocletian, but I do like the other tetrarchs too. Here's a first issue of Maximian from London. The "LON" mintmark is rare, and this example with draped loins on Genius is apparently unique:

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    Not in RIC, Cloke & Toone 1.01.002A (this coin)

    I hope @Caesar_Augustus sees this thread and posts some of his stuff. (He spotted those last two coins for me... thanks again C_A!)
     
  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have added another abdication follis to my collection this year.

    Maximianus Herculius - Follis

    Obv:– D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, olive branch in right hand, mappa in left
    Rev:– PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch upward in right hand, vertical sceptre in left
    Minted in Serdica (S | A | F // •SM•SD•). A.D. 305-306
    Reference:- RIC VI Serdica 15b

    8.40 gms. 29.19 mm. 0 degrees

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  14. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I think... this one is from the first issue of folles from Alexandria.

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    Alexandria RIC 26a
     
  15. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Here are some recent acquisitions:

    Early-ish follis of Maximian:
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    Early-ish follis of Galerius from Rome (note the retrograde Z):
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    Constantius follis from Carthage, note the hair detail:
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    Galerius follis from Treveri. This one is just under 7g with some interesting hair details.
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  16. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    It is indeed, and a very nice one too! I got my lesser example from Doug:
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    All beauties! :happy:
     
  17. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Thanks Warren, very educationnal and inspiring website

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    Maximianus, Abdication Follis - Serdica mint, 1st officina, AD 305-306
    DN MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding mappa and olive branch
    PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QUIES AVGG, Quies and Providentia, facing each other, S | F in field, .SM.SD. at exergue, officina A
    10,70 gr
    Ref : Cohen #489, RCV # 13408 (220), RIC VI # 15b

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  18. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Latest addition from @Valentinian (http://augustuscoins.com/)..
    I do suggest our new members check out the site.. there are some real gems available at very reasonable prices.

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    Diocletian, 284-305
    28-27 mm.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
    Cyzicus mint
     
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