Coin Conservation Demonstration

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by LostDutchman, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Hey guys.

    This is a process which I use on a semi regular basis for coins in an advanced state of PVC contamination such as the piece shown.

    Here is the before shot of the coin being conserved. Note the heavy PVC issues.

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    THE PROCESS.

    Using a q tip I gently applied Coin Care to the surface of the coin. These oils tend to break the PVC up and remove it from the surface. This can be applied and removed several times till the PVC is removed. I then give the coins a quick acetone rinse to get any of the harder to get PVC and remove the oil. Then a wash and pat dry.

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    The final result.

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  3. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    Nice job, the coin definitely looks better.

    Is there a way you can do this without the Q-tip? I have heard lots of folks say that using even a q-tip can leave hairlines. I guess if the trade-off is PVC gunk vs. hairlines, I would prefer the latter, but can the coin just soak in the cleaner and acetone?
     
  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Acetone sometimes won't take off the really thick stuff like this here. I have done several thousand coins like this over the years... Many many have been certified and not one has been rejected for any hairlines... just be EASY...
     
  5. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    What is this "easy" thing you speak of?

    Here's a direct quote from my father: "There are few problems in life that a hammer cannot solve..."

    I will give this "easy" thing a try...
     
  6. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    Matt - which product did you use? I have a couple of coins that may be decent candidates from this. Is it called Coin Care?
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Yes that is correct.
     
  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Coin Care is nothing more than mineral oil and an odorant. Save yourself the money and just buy a bottle of white oil (often called "baby oil"). It will perform identically.
     
  9. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    I asked because I wasn't sure if that was just a generic term he used or the actual product. Essentially I am just looking for a product like yours but is easily available in Canada. I really should just bite the bullet and pay the shipping but I always end up buying more coins instead!
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Good demo, but it looks like the PVC had already done its damage.
     
  11. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Cool demo. How would the TPG's view this coin now?
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    So, mineral oil...hmmm
     
  13. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    We picked up about 400 pieces like this one... we spent most of the day processing them and they are going into an NGC bulk submission early next week. I'll let you know when they come back how NGC viewed them.
     
  14. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    On a surface like this, would the scratching of a q-tip be visible?
     
  15. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    I was thinking the same thing... on a Penny maybe not, but if you followed the same process on say a Morgan Silver Dollar, there would be more risk... i think?
     
  16. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    No. At least I don't detect any in hand.
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    But on a Morgan, if it were a VF or so coin, there are already lots of scratches.
     
  18. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Here are more examples of these coins that went through the same process today. I personally did about 150 pieces... it's exhausting... but worth it. All of these coins had the same kind of PVC... some not as bad as the coin at the beginning... some slightly worse... Overall I'm happy with the result. IMG_0059.JPG IMG_0060.JPG IMG_0061.JPG IMG_0063.JPG IMG_0064.JPG
     
  19. Hotpocket

    Hotpocket Supreme Overlord

    True, but in the eyes of NGC, there is natural wear and then there is Improperly Cleaned. LostDutchman is submitting all of these for grading that's why I brought up the point about scratches during the conservation process. NGC may see it and presume the coin was cleaned and therefore not grade it.
     
  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Yep, but there is "natural wear and then there is Improperly Cleaned" and there is also Conserved or Properly Cleaned. I could tell on proof coins and perhaps on most MS 60+ coins, but AU and less...I'm just not sure. I made a statement once and will still kind of stand by it...you know a coin is cleaned (Proper or Improper) if you cleaned it. Just wondering about those silvers that already got their honestly earned scratches.
     
  21. quarter-back

    quarter-back Active Member

    A hint for using Q-tips: roll it across the surface. Don't drag it across the surface or dab at it. In either of the latter cases, just sliding the Q-tip can cause tiny scratches. With enough practice, the rolling method can even be used on proofs. Take special note of the the phrase "with enough practice".
     
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