Cloth toning Pattern ?

These theoretically were wrapped in soft cloth before storage. The weave is very loose looking. Do they look natural? I know about "bag textile toning, but this is much larger weave.Any thoughts? They do have a hypnotic look to them. I have a offer for a couple of more and some W/L.

Thanks for looking.
Jim

 

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To me they looked like someone wrapped it up in cloth then baked it in the oven.

 

You need Lehigh for that answer and I have not seen him lately. not that I know what I am talking about for toning, but my first impression was that they were AT.

 

My problem is that I can't theorize whether the weave pattern should be the toned part, and the spaces less toned or the reverse as they are here. I can form reasons in my head for each one, and haven't seen any in hand ,just photos, one I think from Lehigh and one or 2 on ebay. I remember one of my deceased aunts use to wrap her dollars and gold coins in kleenex and store in old nylon stockings.

FG, If I recall from reading, heating in an oven tends to give a relatively constant tone over the coin, unless you use a torch or direct flame. Not sure as I haven't seen any thread ( pun) on it lately


Jim

 

Every one I have seen tones where the air gets to the coin. It does not tone when it is against another coin - or the individual threads of a cloth. Therefore, the coin should tone in the gaps of the cloth as yours have.

 

Interesting, I can't tell whether or not it is NT.

 

I've never seen peace dollars tone like that, or that cloth pattern on any dollar before.

 

That toning looks AT to me. It could be the result of improper storage, but I think both TPG's would bag it for not being market acceptable. I have never seen a graded Peace Dollar with either that pattern or color scheme before. The pattern is definitely larger than textile toning on Morgan Dollars as seen below.



I immediately become suspicious when a common date coin worth less than $50 appears on the market with extreme unusual toning. If those Peace Dollars were 1928's, I would be much more willing to entertain the improper storage reasoning. As it is, I would declare those coins trial pieces of a coin doctor.

As for your theorizing, the dots should appear darker as they do on both the Peace Dollars and the Morgan Dollar. The dots are just bigger because the weave of the patter was not as tight. The toning process needs oxygen and there is more of it where the cloth is not touching the surface of the coin. Therefore that area should tone more rapidly.

 

Thanks Lehigh,
I appreciate your comments, and the coins are odd. I have stared at them many times since I got them and looked under the scope, thinking that maybe someone had applied a pattern of dipping fluid or something, but it is too regular as to width and consistency. If it is AT, the cloth must have been wrapped around it before application or exposure to a toning environment or someone added dip to the fabric and laid it on, but I would almost guarantee the former. Although if it was done on purpose, I wonder why it was allowed to go so deep, rather than just a tint of toning.

I hate to admit it, but they are intriguing. Although the photos don't show it well, the fabric lines are quite white and the coin has cartwheel under the toning.

Jim

 

well my theory is the fabrixc prevented the toning i have seen it on indian coins a lot

 

Generally fabric toning patterns are from being stored in Mint bags.
But that almost always affects just one side.

I have trouble imaging people wrapping individual coins in cloth for storage.
Particularly such an open weave fabric.

My vote is for AT.

 

I don't remember my mother and grandmother using much burlap cloth around, but they sure had a lot of feed and flour sacks they used as dishtowels and even diapers. Some of the feed sacks were rather loose weave. Also when my grandparents came to this area in 1910 or so, their roof was made of arrow-weeds and they had loose weave cheesecloth all around the house veranda, and at night in the summer they would soak the cloth with water so the air could blow through. God I so happy someone invented A/C down here, but all through high school, we just had a swamp cooler. My son would die or run away if that was the situation now.

I appreciate your comment as it reminded me of family.

They really draw my interest. I noticed that the pattern is folded as if wrapping occurred.

Thanks!

Jim

 

might be worth a few bucks to slab them. If slabbed they would bring ok $.

 

I have never seen a bag-toned peace dollar before, and I suspect I still haven't.