Casting Seam?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AngelDeath, Jul 20, 2016.

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Casting seam?

  1. Yes

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  1. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    Well for the fun of it and knowledge for any newer people inclusive to me.

    Real or fake visible casting seam? seam.jpg vas.jpg vas2.jpg
     
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    My best guess is that it appears to be from the photo...and since it is a scarce and popular 'Judea Capta' type I'm automatically wary of genuineness.

    I hope our Flavian expert @vespasian70 shortly chimes in.

    Naturally, I hope it's genuine and the seam' is just an 'artefact' of the photo....
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    To me, it's not just the possible seam, it's the lack of detail on the reverse, or, as some might say, the softness of appearance. And, as @Mikey Zee said, I'm automatically wary of this type. I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes, a casting seam. Looks like a gift shop replica. The real thing is thicker, in the neighborhood of 23g
     
  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    How do you manage to get these things? It seems like 95% of all the fakes posted here over the last few months have been by you. Why do you keep going out of your way to buy from the most shady and disreputable characters on eBay? Stop putting money in the pockets of these thieves and con artists.

    I would think you'd know by now that if something looks too good to be true it probably is.
     
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  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Sadly, another modern forgery.

    I really do hope at some point you consult a reputable dealer.
     
  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Yup, fake, easy to tell just from the style of it alone.
     
  9. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    I didn't buy this coin and all the fakes have been sent back to the FAKERS I don't have a half of century of life left to learn this stuff so I have to dive in with the sharks!
     
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  10. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Not real, fabric and style are both off. And if it looks like seam...then its a seam...in my book anyways.
     
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  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    That's where you and I differ. I have chosen to buy only from very reputable auction houses, very reputable dealers on vcoins.com, and FORVM, and a small select group of knowledgeable cointalk members here. Out of 38 ancient coins that I have purchased over the last 8 months, only one has turned out to be a fake (and it was a very well made fake at that).

    While there is no guarantee you won't ever get a fake, if you buy from very reputable sources you will severely minimize your exposure to these bad coins.

    Buy from experienced dealers even if it costs you a little bit of extra money. You'll save yourself a lot of aggravation. But if you choose to lie with dogs don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.
     
  12. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    I want the knowledge no pain no gain another Cliche'
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have learned to akin buying Ancient coins from various Dealers to hunting Mushrooms: do your homework, then pick those that you KNOW you can eat. Otherwise, they are poisonous...
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The local county agricultural extension agent is a professional mycologist but freely points out that he eats mushrooms from the grocery rather than the wild. It won't kill you to buy a fake coin but I'm still 100% with Sallent on this one. More people die from the Death's Cap mushroom than any other.
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    The Death's Cap of ancient coin fakes is probably the Judaea Capta sestertius. A higher percentage of them are fake than any other coin I can think of. There may be more fakes of Tribute Pennies overall but there are more real ones, too. For that matter, there are more fakes of 12 Caesars coins in general but most we see are real. I can't say that about Judaea Captas. I suspect only a few of our number here have a real one and I strongly suspect that they did not buy it on eBay.
     
  15. Eric Kondratieff

    Eric Kondratieff Active Member

    Definitely a fake. Graininess, lack of sharpness/detail anywhere, the seam, casting pits at 3 o'clock on the obverse, thinness of the flan. In any case, as others have said, it's best to go with reputable dealers, especially since there are better and better fakes being made all the time.
     
  16. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I get my mushrooms from the supermarket.
     
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  17. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    There is very little doubt that the OP coin is counterfeit. It's so obvious that I'm not sure it's even intended to deceive.

    Genuine:

    Ab - Vespasian AE sestertius.jpg

    VESPASIAN
    AE Sestertius (26.01 g.) Rome 71 A.D. RIC 167
    IMP CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M TR P P P COS III Laureate head of Vesp. r. Rev IVDA - EA CAPTA S C Jewess seated r., Vesp. standing r. holding spear & parazonium.

    The picture is my own and is an accurate representation of the coin's color.
     
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  18. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    Touche' I have a feeling someones going to pay hundreds for the fake.
     
  19. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Man, that coin... :wideyed:
     
  20. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    What he said....:woot:
     
  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sometimes poisonous shrooms can be kinda fun ...

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    ... I'm just sayin'

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