Casting Bubbles on an Ancient

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AngelDeath, Mar 31, 2017.

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Are all the dots on this coin casting bubbles?

  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    84.6%
  2. No

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  1. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

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  3. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I believe that coin is fake.
     
  5. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    which dots are you referring to? bubbles are bubbles dots are dots. there are bubbles on the coin (small points showing casting) plus other telltale signs as in the face on the obverse. dots in the circumference aren't bubbles. it's most likely counterfeit from the pictures, but i'm no expert.
     
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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Since I just purchased my first of the type, I'm only vaguely familiar with the issue...and I just posted a thread of this denarius...From those I have seen at auction and those posted on the following link, I'm leaning towards a replica based on style and what may be casting bubbles.

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/medusa-a-painting-and-jc.293817/#post-
    2696631
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Terminology: 'Bubbles' on casts are little recessed pits where air was caught between mold and metal. Raised bumps where the air was trapped between the original and the mold have been called 'pimples'. Neither is a good sign but I'm past feeling like it is safe for a person of my level to authenticate coins from photos. Would I buy the coin? No. I see a thousand coins I would not mind owning. I'm too old to buy coins that worry me whether they are guilty or wrongfully accused.
     
  8. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    In my opinion it is likely a cast and I wouldn't buy it. The weight of 3.21g is also on the extreme low end which while not definitive proof on its own should make you very suspicious for a coin of this period.
     
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I agree with both @red_spork and @dougsmit. I think it is a fake. Others might have a different opinion. But, why buy a coin you are not sure about when there are so many coins out there that do not provoke doubts?
     
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  10. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    Just from what can be seen of the edge in the photos it is without question a modern counterfeit.
     
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  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The coin is a very attractive cast counterfeit. With better technique or equipment that would make an excellent addition to my counterfeit collection. As is... it is extremely crude and poorly made.

    Take the specific gravity. I see a silver plated fake with a copper core where the surface is flaking.

    As a general rule, any perfectly round depressions or raised pimples are a sign of bubbles trapped in either the mold or the "pour." Professional authenticators use the words "pimples" and "depressions" to describe the two types.
     
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  12. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    his mounth is to perfect, coin is to perfect

    anyway coin is to perfect/ letters are strange to me to

    it is fake in my eyes
     
  13. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    Thanks what an Education!!!
     
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  14. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    This is not a legitimate reason to doubt this coin. There are high grade examples where these features are nearly perfect. The telltale sign here is not the perfectness of the coin but the evidence of the casting process.
     
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  15. Vas

    Vas New Member

    does this look fake
     

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  16. Vas

    Vas New Member

    Does this look fake
     
  17. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Maybe ask 5x that will help

    better start your own topic
     
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