Carthage Pile On Thread...

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  1. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    I have been hoping to obtain a coin of Carthage for a couple of years now...but other targets come up and well, stuff happens.
    I'm generally pretty cheap so this has been a bit of a challenge. Prices seem to be all over the map. This little one was well under $50 and it checked all of the boxes for me so I just had to pull the trigger and end the wait. An amazing piece of history!


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    Zeugitana (Carthage) 4th - early 3rd century BC.
    OBV: Wreathed head of Tanit, left
    REV: Horse standing right before palm tree with dates.
    AE15


    So a bargain coin - but I think a pretty nice one.

    Please pile on coins of Carthage!
    I would love to see some of the amazing examples out there!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    JULIUS CAESAR
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Diademed head of Venus right.
    REVERSE: CAESAR - Aeneas advancing left, carrying Anchises and palladium
    Carthage or military mint with Caesar in North Africa, 47 to 46 BC
    4.0g, 17mm
    CRI 55, Sydenham 1013, RRC 458/1, S 1402
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    MAXIMIANUS
    AE Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right
    REVERSE: FELIX ADVENT AVGG N N, Africa standing facing, looking left, wearing elephant-skin headdress, holding standard and elephant's tusk, lion with captured bull at feet, H in right field, mintmark PKB
    Struck at Carthage. AD 298
    9.1g, 28mm
    RIC VI 25b
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great start, @Clavdivs ! Very nice AE. Yours was struck during the height of their power. I really like those designs.

    Whelp! I think between yours, and @Bing ’s, you covered all the Carthage coins there ever was! Nice job!

    :)
     
  5. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    LOL... I think you know what we are waiting for....
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I about to snooze... hope I can put out one in the morn.
     
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  7. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Goodnight... I hope to see some gold to start off a Sunday.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE EMPIRE GOLD

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    Carthage - Zeugitana AV 1-10th Stater-Shekel 350-320 BCE 0.94g 7.5mm Palm- Horse Head SNG COP 132


    CARTHAGE EMPIRE ELECTRUM

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    Carthage Zeugitana 310-270 BCE EL Dekadrachm-Stater 18.5mm 7.27g Tanit Horse 3 pellets in ex MAA 12 SNG COP 136
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE EMPIRE AE

    TRISHEKELS

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    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36

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    Carthage AE 31mm Trishekel 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War Tanit Horse Palm Pumic th SNG COP 342


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    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 17.6g Lot 35
     
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  10. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Great first Carthaginian, @Clavdivs, and a nice pile on from @Bing and @Alegandron, including the dazzling gold. All connected to extraordinary history - here are six more coins more for the pile starting with 4 AEs of Carthage:
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    I don't know enough to assign these to the right time frames - so the three, to me, are :
    Carthage, Æ Unit, Carthage mint, 400-200 BC
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Horse standing right; palm tree in background

    The bottom right coin, not yet making an appearance in this thread, possible Sardinian mint.
    Carthage, circa 300-264 BC, Æ Shekel(?), Carthage (or Uncertain Sardinian?) mint
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Head of horse right; large pellet before

    One from a Carthaginian ally who switched sides at the wrong moment for Carthage. The horse on this coin is a link between Carthage and Numidians: Carthage's military relied on the strength of the Numidian cavalry. It was a blow to the Carthaginians when Masinissa switched sides in the Second Punic War (more here).
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    Kings of Numidia, Masinissa, 208-148 BC
    Obv: Male head left
    Rev: Horse rearing left [palm with wreath ties behind?]

    and jumping forward several hundred years to Carthage under Rome:
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    Septimius Severus, AD 193-211, AR denarius, Rome mint, Struck AD 203 - there are two versions of this coin with Dea Caelestis facing forward or facing right - the facing forward are thought to be the earlier coins dated to late in 203 AD.
    Obv: SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: INDVLGEN TIA AVGG, IN CARTH in exergue, the Dea Caelestis, holding thunderbolt and scepter, seated facing on lion galloping right over rushing waters.
    Ref: RIC IV 266

    Septimius made an expedition to North Africa in AD 202, and remained there into AD 203. The reverse inscription indicates that a favor (Indulgence of the Augusti) was granted to the city of Carthage by the Augusti. The exact nature of the favor is the subject of multiple theories:
    - the removal of tax on the aqueduct in Carthage (possible link to the rushing water on reverse)
    - the emperor’s generous distribution of olive oil
    - a decision to grant Carthage Pythian games
    - a grant of ius Italicum (Italian law) to the city of Carthage
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE EMPIRE - SARDINIA

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    Carthage 300-264 BCE AE 19 Sardinia 19mm 5.62g Tanit wreathed Horse hd r ayin SNG COP 151 JP Righetti collection


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    Carthage 3rd C BC AE 20 Sardinia Mint Tanit-Kore Horse Hd Pellet


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    Carthage 216-215 BCE Sardinia mint AE 3.3g Tanit L - BULL stndg R CNP 377a


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    Carthage-Sardinia 300-264 BCE AE Shekel Tanit Horse Head Palm 18mm 4.8g sprues SNG Cop 173 - no pellet below Left
     
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  12. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    That's a really stunning Carthaginian AE in my view.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you. Usually, Sardinia mint Carthage Empire were purdy ratty. Snared it when I saw the clean surfaces, and decent strike. I also really like the flans with runners present. Just a cool shape.
     
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  14. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Always a fun subject and coingrats on the new acquisition!
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  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    My only carthaginian :

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    Siculo-Punic, AE16 - 264-241 BC
    Head of Tanit left
    Horse right and palm tree
    1.75 gr, 16 mm
    Ref : SNG Cop. 111

    Q
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE EMPIRE - Mercenary War / Truceless War / Libyan Revolt

    241-237 BCE.
    A nasty, mean-spirited war, even by Ancient standard. After Rome placed heavy indemnities on Carthage after the First Punic War, Carthage could not pay their Mercenary Troops. Lots of stupid mistakes, but the Carthage General (Hanno - NOT a Barca) brought the Mercenary Army (upwards of 20,000 troops) to North Africa from Sicily, promising to pay. He knew they could not pay. It all goes downhill from there.

    Hamilcar Barca, father to Hannibal, eventually suppressed the rebellion. But, not after extremely brutal atrocities from BOTH sides. One of the Mercenary Generals, Spendius, tortured 700 Carthaginian troops brutally and prolongly to death. This war was the crucible of hatred between the Barca Family, including Hannibal, and Rome that led to the Second Punic War or the War with Hannibal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary_War

    Many of the coins for the Mercenary / Libyan Revolt side were overstrikes onto Carthage coins. Most are purdy Hard-to-get.

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    Carthage Zeugitania Libyan Revolt AR Shekel 24mm 7.34g 241-238 BCE Wreathed Tanit Horse standing control mark and Punic M SNG Cop 236


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    Carthage LIBYAN UPRISING Mercenary War 241-238 BCE 7.36g AR DiShekel Herakles Head in Lion's Head- Lion walking R SNG Cop 240f
    @TIF graciously solved the mystery of the understruck Carthage coin. Thank you.


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    Carthage Zeugitania after 241 DIshekel AE 27 10.8g Libyan Revolt Tanit - Horse r palm MAA 45 SNG Cop 253 scarce


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    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT Rebels 241-238 BCE 9.63g 24mm Shekel Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears Crescent SNG Cop 247


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    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT 241-238 BCE Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears SNG Cop 252
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is a gorgeous coin! The sand/dirt really highlights the great features.
     
  18. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Nice new acquisition!

    Here are my Carthaginians – the first two are your type, though the second one has been overstruck:
    Karthago – AE, Tanit und stehendes Pferd (Foto 3).png
    Carthage, AE17, ca. 400–350 BC, Carthage mint (?). Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit l. Rev: Horse standing r. in front of palm tree; to right, three pellets in triangle with another pellet below. 17mm, 3.64g. MAA 18 var.; SNP 194; SNG Copenhagen 118 var. Ex @Bing.

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    Carthage, AE17, late 4th or early 3rd c. BC, Sicilian mint. Obv: male head r., flanked by grain ears. Rev: galloping horse r. 17mm, 3.59g. Ref: MAA 19; SNG Copenhagen (Africa) 120; Sylloge Numorum Punicorum 128. Struck over MAA 18; Sylloge Nummorum Punicorum 194 (head of Tanit/horse standing in front of palm tree). Ex Roma Numismatics Ltd, E-Sale 52, lot 1245 (multiple lot).


    This one is currently on its way to @Severus Alexander for AMCC3 since it has been upgraded by the coin below it:
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    Carthage, AE 18, ca. 300–264 BC, Sicilian or Sardinian mint. Obv: Head of Tanit wearing wreath l. Rev: Horse's head r. 18mm, 4.92g. Ref: Hoover: Coins of Sicily (2012), 1671; SNG Copenhagen 149. Ex Artemide eLive Auction 6, lot 221.

    Karthago – AE20, Tanit und Pferdekopf.png
    Carthage, AE 18 (Shekel?), ca. 300–264 BC, mint on Sicily or Sardinia (?). Obv: head of Tanit l. Rev: head of horse r.; Punic letter (crescent-shaped) before. 18mm, 4.43g. Ref: SNG Copenhagen 151. Ex André Cichos.
     
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  19. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    For "well under $50" you did mighty well! You're example is well preserved and is very visually appealing! Nice catch!

    Here are some of the bigger ones in my collection:
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    Zeugitania, Carthage, 201-195 BC
    AE Trishekel
    Obverse: Wreathed head of Tanit left.
    Reverse: Horse standing right, left foreleg raised. Faint area behind head may be worn uncertain mark.
    References: MMA 105a
    Size: 28mm, 18.3g
    Notes: Coin likely broke after casting when separating the coin from the casting “tree”.


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    Zeugitania, Carthage, 264-241 BC
    First Punic War
    AE Dishekel, Sardinia Mint
    Obverse: Head of Tanit left, wearing wreath of grain and earrings.
    Reverse: Head of horse right.
    References: MAA 58, SNG Cop 192
    Size: 27mm, 14.5g
    cf: CNG E-Auction 407 (10/11/2017), Lot #27

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    Zeugitania, Carthage, 264-241 BC
    First Punic War
    AE Dishekel, Carthage mint
    Obverse: Head of Tanit left, wearing grain wreath and earring.
    Reverse: Horse standing right, above, radiate sun-disk flanked by uraei; [Punic letter (‘ayin?) to right].
    References: MMA 47, SNG Cop 260
    Size: 26mm, 12.45g
    Notes: Smoothing marks from minting preparation. Scarce emission.
    cf: CNG E-Auction 456 (11/13/2019), Lot #62

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    Zeugitania, Carthage, 175-150 BC
    BL Trishekel, Utica Mint
    Obverse: Jugate and laureate heads of the Dioscuri right; each surmounted by star.
    Reverse: Two horses advancing right. [Punic legend] above.
    References: SNG COP 428, Müller 341, MAA 109
    Size: 28mm, 12.0g
    Notes: The billon of this issue has extremely low silver content, such that nearly all examples appear to be bronze.

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    Zeugitania, Carthage, 203-201 BC
    BL 1½ Shekel or Tridrachm, Second Punic War
    Obverse: Wreathed head of Tanit left.
    Reverse: Horse standing right, head left; pellet between hind legs.
    References: SNG COP 396, MAA 81c
    Size: 24.5mm, 9.9g
    Notes: Black surfaces; The billon of this issue has extremely low silver content, such that nearly all examples appear to be bronze.


    (Don't tell anyone, but I've got one of the REALLY big'uns coming!) :angelic:
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Super coins, @Justin Lee !
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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