Can you help me with evalution my coins?

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  1. coinx

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  3. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Welcome to the forum coinx.
    About the only thing I have been able to make out is that you are posting a mirror image of the reverse of the 40F. If it is genuine (which can't be discerned from the scan) the 3rd Ed. 19th Century Krause lists values of $200 F, $225 VF, $325 XF, $1,500 Unc, and $10,000 proof. Based on what I can see of the details, the reverse is no better than VF at best, but the obverse may be XF.

    I'm not very knowledgeable on Empire French coinage, but Krause doesn't mention anything a a star having any significance with regard to KM#664.1, a 12.9039g .900 gold coin with a $165-175 bullion value at today's gold price. In fact the only mention of a star is a notation that it was Mintmaster Cyprian Gallard's privy mark at the Marseille mint in 1809. (The AN 13 40F was minted at Paris.)

    As far as the other three are concerned, you have to either do a little editing on your scans to lighten them up and increase the contrast, or find someone with much better eyes than mine to look at them.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm not really sure what to think about that AN 13 40 francs. The image being reversed I'll chalk up to you making some kind of ooops with the pic in a software program. As for the star - it appears to be a counterstamp. But I have no idea who made it and have never run across one before. I will ask you to confirm this by checking to see if the star is incuse as it appears.

    And the coin has definitely been struck over another coin - but the details in the pic are too faint to make out what the original coin was. This is not uncommon as the French were forever doing overstrikes. But they do appeal to some collectors. As for value - without more information that I do not have regarding the counterstamp - it's really hard to say.

    Your second example I do not think is a coin - it may be a jetton. If Ian stops by he may be able to help.

    And I have no idea about the other coins as they are beyond my area.
     
  5. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    The reverse of the 40 Fr is an obvious `mirror image', but the obverse of the second coin is also `mirror imaged'. (Ferdinand II Medici).

    The coin is from Livorno, in modern day Italy. The coin is called a `Luigino', is silver and in that grade (if genuine - it does look a little pasty to me) has a book value of between $100 - $200 but that would be an extremely good day and if you had the worlds `Livorno' coinage collectors competing with each other. Realistically, much less.

    As to the counterstamp on the 40 fr. The only `star' c/s i'm aware of is the five pointed one for the Low Countries (Maestricht), but it is somehow a bit out of place on a Paris minted 40 francs piece for L'an 13. (?)

    The other two appear to be eastern in origin (again if genuine) but unfortunately they do not trigger any immediate `recognition' in me.

    Ian
     
  6. pawjtr

    pawjtr New Member

    i agree with GD that the star looks like a counterstamp but i also have no idea who would officially do that. a possible connection is the star might have been counterstamped in cuba (owing to cuba having that star on their own coins) but that might just be a coincedence.
     
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