can they prevent production of doubled dies?

if they inspected the die before production begins couldn't they eliminate new doubled dies from being produced?

 

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You would think, but try making billions of something someday and see if any mistakes are made. Even the smallest fraction of a mistake makes a huge number in the end.

 

*Supposedly* single squeeze hubbing has been there and done that.

 

they use billions of dies?

 

Probably could make a strong argument doubled dies produced by current coinage methods are within production tolerances and therefore normal strikes.

 

I still feel that single press dies should not be classifiable as 'doubled dies' since the transfer die that presses them produces the effect by mechanical slippage/motion.

 

I agree with Jim , if single hubbed dies are used there can't be any misalignment , thus no doubled dies except of the mechanical nature .

 

Why don't they just look at the dies after they are hubbed? How many dies per day would that be? Not too daunting of a task I would imagine.

 

The move is on to digital hubbing, meaning there is no physical hubbing. Production dies are going to be cut DIRECTLY from digital files onto working dies by CNC lathe/machining units. All future double dies will be intentional moving of design elements in the software.

 

this may be a dumb question, but as I have never seen a die I will ask... they can't use a loupe and check the die like one would a coin? or perhaps even a "test strike"? I would think the government wouldn't be to happy about people making money off THEIR currency. that some time of preventive measure would be in place. by no means am I complaining, but after so many years I am surprised

 

All the government was interested in was making coins as cheaply as possible , minor issues like slight doubling where a loupe is needed to see it passes their QC standard . Of course they could do what you say , but that costs money . And dies weren't cheap so throwing one out was a last result . Look at those were the dies cracked or were clashed . They'd repair them or throw them out only when they got too bad .

 

I am a variety collector but my perspective on this aspect of the hobby is different than most. I basically view doubling as a unique characteristic of a die that provides a means to attribute a coin to the specific working die that struck it. This can also be accomplished using other aspects of a coin such as die cracks, breaks and other such aspects exhibited by a coin, probably even MD. But generally speaking die doubling is a characteristic that originates from the die and transferred to a coin from its first strike to its last strike.

 

this was very educational for me. thank you. someone had said before that the Wisconsin extra leaf was not a TRUE doubled die and I get it now. so if a "doubled feature" on a single hubbed die is not "doubled die" does that mean they should be in a different classification? not called doubled dies but something completely different?

 

With the new digitally produced dies, anyone with access to the software can intentionally double any part of any design element they want. It's like the clone tool in Adobe Photoshop. How else does Lincoln's ear, or 2009 fingers, get doubled when no other part of the design is?

 

well logically speaking, I am no where an expert...but when I think of "doubled die" (with inexperienced knowledge)I look at it as part of the die being doubled. is that not the case? is part of the die not doubled? sure the whole process of how it is done is different but the end result is the same. so if it looks like a horse, and acts like a horse, and sounds like a horse, is it not a horse??