Can someone explain this?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JDL, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. JDL

    JDL Member

    I have been looking for an early Large Cent (Matron/Coronet Head) and came across a couple of coins that have a strange 'occurrence' on them - a 'line' going around the outer circumference of the coin. One coin has it on the obverse (but no such thing on the reverse), another has it only on the reverse . Two photos are attached, from different coins. I'm at a loss to explain this, but I KNOW you guys and gals will educate me. funny obverse 1.jpg funny reverse, diff coin.jpg
     
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  3. wcoins

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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    This
     
  5. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    That
     
  6. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    What they said.
     
  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Classic, and not uncommon, die breaks.
     
  8. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    I don't want to disagree with everyone else but I think it is die breaks;)
     
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  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    die crack
     
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  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

  11. COCollector

    COCollector Well-Known Member

    Die break?

    Or, should it be called a die crack?

    "The closely related die crack error results from a fracture in the die though no piece of the die actually breaks away, at least immediately after the crack forms. Metal can flow up into the crack, forming a raised line on the coin."
    https://www.coinworld.com/numismati...umismatics-collecting-basics-7294823.all.html

    Anyway, I think it's not uncommon -- especially on older coins?

    My 1888 Morgan:

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  12. JDL

    JDL Member

    COCollector - I really appreciate the more in-depth explanation. I'm here to learn!
     
  13. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    As above. It's a die crack. It's original to the coin, and makes it more interesting.
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It is a die crack, a die break is where a piece of the die has broken off of the die completely.

    The cent in the OP is either a N-11 or N-12 (both used the same obv) on N-12 the crack worsened and developed die breaks at Stars 12 and 13. It comes in several die stages which are widely collected. (This illustrates the difference between die cracks and die breaks)

    Stage A with the crack heavy

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    Here an additional crack from Star 13 to the rim forms
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    The die break forms covering two points of star 13
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    The three point break
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    And finally the "Harpooned Whale"
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  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    It is not uncommon even on newer coins. In fact, it is quite common on all coins. Certain designs tend to have cracks in the same place, based on the way the metal flows in the design. For example, Washington quarters quite often have a break at the bottom of the bust, like this one.

    JPER29 obverse.jpg
     
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