Can anybody identify my two Chinese coins with square holes?

These coins are with me for more than 4 years and finally I have some time to get to identify them.Please help me
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cool coins. um I can not find them in my catalogs. at first I thought the 1st 1 was Chinese. nope nada zero maybe these are amulets ? charms ? are those frogs on coin #2 ? cool look to it.

 

maybe in the Bei Song Dynasty time period ??? guessing here.

 

It is really challenging to identify chinese coins. at least for me.I have been browsing many websites but still nothing about them...

 

It is really challenging to identify chinese coins. at least for me.I have been browsing many websites but still nothing about them...

 

I haven't taken the plunge into these Chinese cash coins (yet), so I am unable to give you any specific info other than

=> "they're kinda cool and I hope that they are authentic"

... one of these days I'm gonna add a few of these babies to my coin-herd!!

 

Try this web site. http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/china/china8.htm#images of titles

 

Off the top of my head the second one looks like Yuan dynasty seal script, but I have never seen that reverse on any Chinese coin. The Yuan were the Mongols, so had a unique language which is why the scritical is distinct.

The first one is not oriented correctly. Turn the obverse a quarter turn clockwise, and the reverse a quarter turn counterclockwise. My Hartill is packed of I would look it up for you. I know Doug at least has a copy.

 

The first is Da Zhong tong bao by Zhu Yuanzhang 1361-68 AD 5 cash Guangdong mint Hartill 20.39 valued at $2000 if genuine which I sincerely doubt this is. I suppose you should show it to someone better than me to be sure.

The interesting fact about him to me was that he died at age 69 and his doctors were executed immediately following his death. This is what we might call pay for performance.

The other is an amulet about which I know less than nothing.

 

you are great dougsmit,thank you so much...

 

Any other comments please?