Can a coin have been cleaned, and still be appealing? please see this 1825 Quarter

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I know there is great aversion toward cleaned coins, and i do share that opinion by and large. However, i think there is cleaning, and then there is cleaning.

    This is one coin which i bought knowing that it had been cleaned (Bowers & Merena sale 1990), but the overall appearance of the coin was still quite pleasing. In addition, it has toned naturally around the edges after 18 years of storage in an eagle holder.
    What do you all think?

    Unfiortunately, my pictures, (as usual) do not capture the coin as it really is.

    Thanks,
    Eduard
     

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  3. Mr. Coin Lover

    Mr. Coin Lover Supporter**

    I think a cleaned silver coin can be beautiful. It certainly depends on how it is done and the grade of the coin. First I tink shining and cleaning are certainly not one and the same. This coin looks as though it was polished/shined at one time. It is still a beautiful coin and the main thing is are you happy with it. To me nothing looks worse to have a coin say "fine" that is as shiny (without luster/cartwheels) as the day it was minted. You are right many wil blast you for having a cleaned coin, but that's okay if you are happy. Have you personally owned the coin all thes years?
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yes - most certainly. I mean just look at the one you posted - thats a very nice coin in my opinion.
     
  5. Al21

    Al21 New Member

    Yes, there are many degrees of cleaning. From a light wipe to polishing or whizzing. Light wipes ( a few hairlines) can be in net graded in a tpg holder.
     
  6. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    The older a coin is, the less important a cleaning is in my opinion. Most coins that old have probably been cleaned at least once along the way, and your coin will look fine when it begins to retone.
     
  7. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    "Can a coin have been cleaned, and still be appealing? "

    Of course they can. :)
     
  8. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I like it and it will probably get better looking in time , like others said any cleaning with an abrasive cleaner or wiping and polishing is wrong , dipping on the other hand if done right with hardly any loss of luster , on a coin that truly needs it is ok in my book , the problem is people not knowing what they're doing and doing it on coins that don't really need it .
    rzage
     
  9. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Hello Al21, I'm just curious & it is none of my business...... Did you really join CT in May & this was your first post? Perhaps there is a software bug in the CT Website.

    Hello Eduard, Your nice quarter is evidence that a coin can be cleaned & still be very appealing. (Of course, there are different levels of cleaning. One that I despise is when a coin surface is heavily polished). I think I have a quarter similar to yours that I can photograph & post.

    Very best regards,
    collect89
     
  10. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    That is a really nice looking coin, and the cleaning appears to have been lightly done. Time will cover over the excessive brightness. At one time, of course, shiny coins were all the rage; now everyone wants original. It is really tough to find early coinage that wasn't shined to an extent. Personally, I think I'd be very happy with that quarter. If you like it is what really matters.
     
  11. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    without doubt...The fact that it seems like you are mentioning killing a baby when you say you might clean a coin is just modern collector craziness. I am not saying scrub all your coins to the metal...JUST the fact that it is cleaned should never strip it of its value out of hand because people you never met said its how it should be...if a coin has great appeal...why should it lose value? Coin cleaning craziness is comparatively new and I think it has a lot to do with money. I great looking coin is just a great looking coin.
     
  12. PeaceJoeMorgan

    PeaceJoeMorgan New Member

    That coin looks great, cleaning or not.
     
  13. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you all.
    Seems like most of you are in agreement that the cleaning did not ruin this coin. I think it is quite nice actually (better be since i bought it!), it even seems to have some mint luster left around the stars. It was probably quickly dipped.

    You know, here in Europe, and maybe specially Germany MANY coins have been cleaned. When you go to shows you will see row upon row of bright shiny coins. People seem to prefer them that way. Absolutely horrible! like cleaned with a brillo pad. That is the cleaning i dislike.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Dru I agree with you to a point, in that all cleaning is not necessarily bad. If a coin is properly cleaned then it does not affect the value at all. Proper cleaning or dipping may even increase the value.

    That said, it is worth noting that proper cleaning and or properly dipping a coin is not even mentioned when a coin is slabbed by the TPG's. Nor is it mentioned in the case of raw coins when they are described by dealer's offering them for sale. This is because proper cleaning does not harm the coin.

    If and when cleaning is mentioned at all, it is only because that cleaning did harm the coin. And there is a great variance in the amount of harm done. And the amount of harm typically determines how much it affects the value of that coin.

    All of that said, it is completely inaccurate for you to say -

    "JUST the fact that it is cleaned should never strip it of its value out of hand because people you never met said its how it should be..."

    Whether or not you have met someone has nothing to do with it. It is not an opinion that harsh or improper cleaning drops the value of a coin, it is a cold hard fact. And to pretend otherwise is foolish.

    And it is not something new. A warning not to clean coins because it damaged them and caused them to lose value was the very first thing, the very first, that my grandfather taught me in 1960. Now that was almost 50 years ago. And according to him, everyone he knew and had known since the 1930's was of the same opinion. So that kind of precludes it from being a new idea.

    But the main point is that when talking about cleaning a coin we must, must, differntiate between harsh/improper cleaning and cleaning. Terminology is everything because of the vast difference between the two terms.
     
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