Calling the VAMpires.. 21 Morgan VAM question.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by jtlee321, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Hey everyone, it's been a while since I've been on here much. Work had gotten crazy busy in the past few weeks. I've made a few purchases recently, this one came from a coin show I was able to attend on Sunday. It's a 1921 Morgan with heavy die polishing on the obverse and reverse. I cannot find it on VAMworld. I thought I would ask the resident VAM experts here. Calling @Cascade, @SuperDave, @messydesk and @heavycam.monstervam..

    Lot's of images of this very interesting piece. The die polish lines on the obverse are in front of Liberty's nose, under her chin and under her neck and through the date.

    1921-Morgan-Dollar-Obverse.jpg 1921-Morgan-Dollar-Reverse.jpg Obverse-Detail-1.jpg Obverse-Detail-2.jpg Reverse-Detail-1.jpg Reverse-Detail-2.jpg Reverse-Detail-3.jpg Reverse-Detail-4.jpg Reverse-Detail-5.jpg
     
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  3. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Im guessing we will need the scribbles zone 4 this, assuming u already searched 4 it w no luck
    Give me a minute, i think i see a clue
     
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  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Spectacular. No, I can't find it either.
     
  5. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Got it!!! Either vam 31a2 or vam 32b (leaning towards 32b) later die state of 31a1 and 31a2. Its a kimpton 12 variety

    For those playing along @ home, i noted the scribble line extending 45° off the left leg, (went to the scribbles page at Vam world) and found this photo for the 31a1 1921-P-V31A-DENNIS-SCRIBS.jpg
     
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  6. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I dunno, I think you nailed it with 31a2.
     
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  7. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Man, that is a nice find BTW!! Ive never owned a kimpton 12, but this one hits on all cylinders!!
     
  8. redcent230

    redcent230 Well-Known Member

    What is a kimpton 12 variety ??
     
  9. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Dang you guys are good!!! It's a dead ringer for the VAM-31a2. I looked at the 31a1 but did not go to the 31a2, because I had assumed the denticle impression would still be there. But the 31a2 has the denticle impressions removed. The Die file lines match up with the few photo's available.
     
  10. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    That is one helluva piece of VAMming. Only the denticle impression touching the rear of the arrowhed is visible; the rest are obliterated by the black mark in the field. You have to check the threads out which are linked on the 31A1 page to see images of the obverse die cracks, which confirm.

    It's a list created by Dr. Mark Kimpton of clashed-die varieties he felt were worthy of being singled out, while not yet on an existing list.
     
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  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    And that scribble is really the only one remaining. The rest of the others have been polished away, although not it the same fashion as the clashes. I picked it up not knowing what it was, just knowing that the heavy die polishing on the obverse and reverse were very interesting.

    Thanks for the amazing detective work.
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

     
  15. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Obligatory vampire meme:vulcan: 1007508.png Lets get some new recruits- f_383bb33c81.jpg
     
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