Buyer Beware

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Uncirculate...198613?hash=item51dca5b655:g:PKYAAOSwv-NWXn7i

Possible shill bidding, dishonest description. I've bought a few world coins off this seller and was satisfied. Can't trust many eBay sellers nowadays.

 

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Report any suspected shill bidding to eBay - they are usually proactive at investigating these matters and banning offending accounts. If an item arrives and it's not as described, raise a case in PayPal and get your money back.

eBay is a risky place to buy coins. However because people are so risk adverse, there aren't too many bidders to compete against, and you can find wonderful bargains.

That said, 90% of the coins on eBay are either junk or fake, the word "rare" gets thrown around far too much, and it's a huge time impost to find the genuine bargains.

 

I'm sorry, what in the world are you talking about? What is dishonest with his description? Why do you suspect shill bids? I see nothing fishy here at ALL. I have always had good transactions with this seller. He barely even mentions condition, so how can he be dishonest?

 

Yeah - don't seem to be - http://www.ebay.com/gds/SHiLL-BIDDi...ill-Bidders-On-Ebay-/10000000002559018/g.html

 

May I ask what evidence you see of shill bidding? Also, what's so "dishonest" about the description? He says it's in "raw uncertified condition and very nice", which is very generic and open to interpretation, but that's about it.

This isn't so much meant to defend the seller (who I am familiar with), but only to better understand what the problem is. Perhaps I've missed something, but I'm just not seeing it.

 

There is zero evidence of shill bidding here. Just because a new person over bids on an item, that does not mean it is shilling. It happens all the time to my auctions. Come on you people.

 

Read the title "
Uncirculated 1928G U.S. Red Seal $2 Note Free Shipping"

I've never had problems with this seller. I've even bid on a few listings recently. The note isn't uncirculated. His customer base seems a little too loyal.

 

Lucky for you, jwitten.

 

Looks pretty darn nice to me. And what evidence of shilling do you have?

 

Well it already sold tonight for 33$ - nice!

 

I said it was a possibility. I don't know the bidders personally.

 

Is it the clearly visible crease?

Also, do I understand you correctly in that a loyal customer base now equates to warranting public accusations of shill bidding? If you've never had problems with this seller, it seems odd that you would be here defaming him based upon such questionable "evidence".

 

I obviously have issues with people accusing others of shilling when they have nothing to back it up. I have been accused too, and I know I have not done it, so it just irritates me.

 

Buyer beware, that's all. Maybe he made a mistake.

 

I don't have a dog in this hunt; however when one reviews bid history of a couple bidders on this item we find: one bidder has 89% of their bids with this seller; another bidder has 57% of their bids. Shills? can't answer but bidder names with asterisks/or 'private listing' bidders cause me to be cautious.
As for the note itself, the very prominent lower left corner fold (face) must remove it from the uncirculated category. Otherwise it's a nice, collectible note.

 

Those bidders bid something like $3.50 and $8 on an item that ended at $33. Hardly signs of shills.

 

Okay let's be open and above with this; I've had dealings with the seller before and have no issues with the items I've purchased and I bid what I thought was a fair amount and it was within my pre-set bid limit. Also, please note that I asked the questions "Shills? can't answer... ". So, if the purchaser of this note has a problem then take it up with the seller and if it cannot be resolved then report it to eBay; but let's keep stuff like this to a dull minimum on this forum.
I think it's time our Moderator review this thread and lock it before somebody says something they will later regret saying.
If there's an ongoing problem with this seller I believe eBay and we the purchasing public will stop the enterprise. Like my father always said if there are no patrons there will be no "ladies of the night". If purchasers don't purchase from this seller due to continuing business issues then the seller will eventually fade away.

Edited to correct grammar.

 

Did you happen to notice the amounts bid by these individuals? If not, Mr. 89% bid a whopping $3.50 max, and Mr. 57% a whole $8 max. While this may not prove anything one way or the other, it should at least help to relieve whatever "shilling" concerns there may be due to such percentages.

 

Shill bidding? You have got to be kidding.

 

BooksB4Coins, don't mind your quoting my comments but for the sake of contextual reference please complete the quote, otherwise the statement loses the emphasis (emphasis being there was not a sure way to know the answer)