It seems to me that when buying a slabbed ASE the MS70 grade is everything, an MS69 is a virtually identical coin quality wise but so much is placed on the grade that in this case isn't it better to buy the slab, not the coin? Also, an un-slabbed ASE is usually reduced to roughly melt in price which also reinforces this idea.
I dislike graded ASE's immensely. To me, it's just a marketing ploy that prays on the gullibility of the uninformed (which, apparently, are considerable in number).
Precisely. Nuglet, do you realize that if you were take a slabbed ASE graded 70 into a dealer and try to sell it to him that all he is going to offer you is about melt ? The same is true if you were to try and sell one to an educated collector. That's because an ASE graded as 70 isn't worth any more than a raw ASE. With American Eagle coins, and most modern commemoratives, and most modern Proofs, produced these days the 70 grade is what the majority of them are given. The 70 grade is so common with these coins that the grade has become virtually meaningless in today's world. And it has been that way for about 10 years now. But while it may seem like there are a large number of collectors who are willing to pay up for these 70 coins, the reality is that there really is not a large number of them. I would say that maybe, stress maybe, only 10% of coin collectors would do so. And the actual number may even be smaller. And that number is shrinking, and has been shrinking, for about 10 years now because as time passes more and more of those uneducated collectors are becoming educated. Nuglet do you realize that the price for these 70 coins has dropped by about 90% in the last 10 years ? And the prices are still going down ? The handwriting is right there on the wall, and it has been on the wall for some time. All you have to do is read it.
Paying for a MS70 that is identical to a MS69 is paying for a fantasy. Like the guy on ebay who was selling his imaginary friend.
i personally like slabbed coins they are in a good holder grade by a pro one might say and are better protected since the holders are good !! and if you look on the bay ms 70 still sell for an awful lot more then mint state 69 examples !! i have never bought a slabbed ase mabye i never will but i have noticed what you are saying about quality with the mint being up a lot over the past few year !! still i think slabbed coins are cool even if they dont add as much value as they used to !!
I send all my ASEs to SGS. Even the ones with scratches and fingerprints come back as MS-70; which helps my self image.
I've been ripped apart here for similar comments about graded ASEs. Some take collecting modern grading coins very seriously. But frankly, I would prefer another ASE over paying a premium for the plastic.
There used to be a hand held specialty tool for cracking slabs. But I can't remember what it was called. Does anyone remember it or know why they stopped selling them?
@quartertapper: Erm... and what's your TPG's definition of a perfect coin? In my book MS-70 means perfect, so no scratches, no marks, nada de malo...
Nut cracker. The walnut industry sued them over copyright infringement and they went the way of the Dodo........
I just love to overpay based on some poly extruded plastic that does absofreaking nothing for the coin. I guess that is why the most of my collection is not tombed, an' I hae been known to free Annie from her plastic tomb. Slabs are for speculators, investors. Not purist collectors.
Absolutely! An ounce of silver will never equal more than an ounce of silver. That's the way I look at it, saves me alot of time and money.
They were using them at large shows. And cracking them right on the bourse. I'm not sure why unless a TPG was slabbing coins at the show for flippers.