British Coin Abbreviation Madness

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  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have to confess that I mostly collect British and Roman imperial coins for the history. Yesterday I was looking at the legends that appear on British coins was shocked to see this one on a 1787 shilling and sixpence.

    1787 George III Shilling All.jpg

    Obverse Legend: GEORGIVS·III·DEI·GRATIA· “George the Third by the Grace of God (Georgius III Dei Gratia)

    So far, so good, but get this one:

    Reverse Legend: M·B·F·E·T·H·REX·F·D·B·ET·L·D·S·R·I·A·T·ET·E Unabridged Legend Magnae Britanniae Franciae et Hiberniae Rex Fidei Defensor Brunsvicensis et Luneburgensis Dux Sacri Romani Imperii Archi Thesaurarius et Elector “King of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lueneburg, Arch Treasurer and Elector of the Holy Roman Empire

    Somehow I think that one went over the heads of 99% of the British citizens who handled this coin.
     
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  3. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    King of France seems a little bit of a reach...
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Talk about a run on.......... devil.gif
     
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  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Lol. Bet he used a stamper to sign
     
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  6. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    like we would know would know "Annuit cœptis" from our dollar bills!
    Great_Seal_of_the_United_States_(reverse_monochrome) copy.jpg
     
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  7. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    MDCCLXXVI=1776


    I had to use all four paws to count that high.
     
  8. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Well the King of England was the King of France for a while ... back in the early 1400s to the 1430s. Henry V laid claim to the crown, but his son, Henry VI, lost it.

    Henry V was a great warrior king. Here is a half groat, 2 pence.

    Henry V Two Pence.jpg


    He died unexpectedly of dysentery, leaving his nine month old son, king. Henry VI was shall we say, not a mental giant. He lost his French crown with the help of Joan of Arc. This is a Henry VI groat.

    Henry VI Groat.jpg
     
  9. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Those long intricate legends on English coins caused the American colonies to revolt.

    :)
     
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    One thing for sure, George Washington would not have been bragging about that many positions on his coins. In fact, he didn't want his portrait on any coins while he was alive.
     
  11. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    I think they dropped the claim to France around 1800-1802. Partly because of the Act of Union with Ireland, partly to try to make peace with the French Republic. You can see the Fleur-de-lys on a lot of English/UK coins indicating a claim to France.

    1745 6 pence--there
    UK 1745 6 pence Lima copy.jpeg

    1817 Half crown-gone
    George III Half Crown 1817.jpeg
     
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  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Remember the Saxons in Anglo-Saxons were in France Saxony...
     
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  13. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    Saxony in France ???
     
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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It's actually German.
     
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  15. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    England lost the last of its French territories in 1558 when Calais was retaken by the French. The "King of France" was kept in the monarch's style until the French revolution, nevertheless, perhaps eventually as more of a taunt than a legitimate claim.
     
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  16. Βergerоn

    Βergerоn New Member

    I think Henry V died before the treaty of Troyes (1420) came into effect so technically never crowned as such.
     
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  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Remember I went to school in KY
     
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    My bad
     
  19. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    I know it’s it Germany that’s why I questioned it
     
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