Bow Case Counterstamp on Cilician AE

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  1. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    This counterstamped coin arrived today with full details - the bow, a couple of arrows, and the case. And the stamper couldn't have chosen a better place on the coin, where it minimally interferes with the devices.

    bow case stamp.jpg

    Cilicia, Tarsus, Autonomous Issue, after 164 BC.
    AE 19 mm, 5.09 gm.
    Obv: Draped, veiled and turreted bust of Tyche right.
    Rev: Zeus in himation seated left on throne, holding eagle-tipped sceptre; monograms to right.
    SNG Levante 920; SNG France 1285-1294.
     
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  3. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Fantastic piece JA, great detail on the bow case. ;)
     
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  4. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Great piece JA. Best I can do is a bow case with two countermarks.
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't follow you. You have a coin with two bow case countermarks? Let's see it!
     
  6. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    No, not two bow case countermarks, bow case coin with trident countermark and corinthian helmet countermark.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    From Pontus Amisos.
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Very nice indeed! I had not seen that coin of yours before. Great find.
     
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  8. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's an great counterstamp, and well placed indeed.

    i picked this coin up with a similar well placed counterstamp. picture is bad, and the coin isn't really great..but it has a cool anchor counterstamp behind the head of zeus on the obverse.

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  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very cool JA and Pish!!!

    Besides the countermark of the Cleopatra type that I recently purchased (I believe JA knows from who:rolleyes:), I also picked up this bronze from Forum although I still have little clue what the countermark is....My best guess is a 'bukranion'---which seems to be a steer? Looks like a corinthian helmet to me as well but next I'll be seeing 'ELVIS" ...

    Not a 'Cilician' issue but it is a countermark.

    Antigonos Gonatas, Macedonia, 18 mm, 277-239 BC, Athena and Pan, 5.25 grams
    antigonos athena.JPG antigonos pan.JPG
     
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  10. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I posted my bee/fly/wasp/hornet recently. I have this fairly grotty Antoninus Pius, I keep it for the dolphin counter mark. There is also a head in a circle.
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    Antoninus Pius
    Coin: Bronze As
    Unreadable - Laureate head right
    Unreadable - Genius standing left, holding cornucopiae and a patera over a burning altar. (Possibly)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 13.80g / 30mm / -
    References:
    • Similar to RIC 568c
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet addition, JA ... man, I love counterstamped coins!!

    => I love the bowcase (very cool)

    Oh, and I happen to have a cool example of a Cilicia, Tarsus (we rock!!)


    Cilicia Tarsos countermark.jpg
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    Oh ... Helios is my counterstamp


    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    @Pishpash - the little dolphin is charming, and @stevex6 - I never get tired of seeing that radiate head stamp - it's described as Sol, yes?
     
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  13. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    @stevex6 what is the description of the reverse, there seems a lot going on??
     
  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    yup ... it kinda rocks, eh?

    Ummm sorry, Pish => here is the other coin stuff ... (I like you)


    Cilicia, Tarsos AE22
    Circa 100 BC
    Diameter: 22 mm
    Weight: 9.78 grams
    Obverse: Turreted head of Tyche right, Countermark: Radiate head of Helios right (CM: Howgego 11? Hierapolis Phrygia circa 50AD)
    Reverse: "TAPSEWN" Pyre of Sandan in the form of a pyramid, Sandan on a lion within
    Reference: SNG Levante 951ff
     
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  15. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I like you too steve! But the lion looks like a goat to me :D
     
  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ooops, my description got cut-off => it's a "HORNED LION" ... *honestly*

    :woot:
     
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  17. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    A "horned" lion? That is super cool :D
     
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  18. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Resurrecting another old thread, but it seems appropriate. John Anthony's OP is interesting to me, because I think I just got an example, and there are others like it all over the place - same rectangular countermark behind Tyche's head on AE issues from Tarsos. Has anybody found out anything else about this issue? Given the quantities out there, it seems to have been extensive.

    Alegandron posted a nice one here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cilicia-tarsos-tyche-and-sandan.282585/ In this post, pirates are mentioned, which is pretty exciting. Any more information on this?

    Anyway, here is mine. It has a very heavy sand patina which obscures the countermark, so my attribution is a bit provisional. I suppose I could soak out some of the dirt, but I kind of like it the way it is now (and I fear ruining it).

    Tarsus - countermark bow and case Oct 2018 (0).jpg

    Tarsus - countermark bow and case Oct 2018 (0a).jpg
    Cilicia, Tarsos Æ22
    (After 164 B.C.)

    Draped, veiled, and turreted bust of Tyche / TAΡΣEΩN, Zeus seated left on throne, holding scepter; monograms below.
    SNG France 1285-1294 (?).
    Countermark: Bow case & arrows (?), rectangle (10 x 4 mm)
    (8.12 grams / 22 mm)
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, @Marsyas Mike I actually bought the OP Tarsos Tyche from @John Anthony. I did a HUGE double-take, then looked at the date of his original post.

    John and I discussed the possibility that the counterstamp was around the time that Pompey swept the pirates from the Roman world’s Mare Nostrum.
     
  20. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's cool!
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, no, that’s MINE!!! :)
     
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