Bought This Today,1850 Gold Eagle

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by sumorada, Oct 30, 2006.

  1. sumorada

    sumorada Senior Member

    I Bought This From A Customer In My Store Today,i Found Some Doubling On The Obverse,anybody Know If There Is A Reference To This In Any Books? Thanks
     

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  3. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    It could be a small date (It's either small or large. I'm afraid don't know the distinguishing characteristics though :() and worth about $500. Sorry, I'm not much help.

    Ben
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I would suggest that you weigh the coin - I wonder if it's genuine.
     
  5. sumorada

    sumorada Senior Member

    good suggestion,it weighs 0.535 oz. troy.(16.6 gr.) which with the amount of wear seems right to me,but i'm no expert! the book says 16.718,what do you think? and thank you
    and it is 27mm
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well I'm no expert either, but the surface of the coin makes me suspect. I would suggest that you have a dealer you trust examine the coin.

    As for the doubling, I'm not sure that I see what you are seeing - because I really don't see any.
     
  7. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    To me it looks like there might be a slight bit of machine doubling...but that is all I see.
    When I first looked at the coin I thought fake----but then I don't collect gold coins and haven't seen many fakes.

    Speedy
     
  8. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    I strongly suspect that that coin is counterfeit.
     
  9. kendo

    kendo New Member

    IMO it looks fake. The stars on the obverse in the last pic look funny. What do you think? (anybody)
     
  10. starwarsfreak

    starwarsfreak Senior Member

    No im pretty sure its real, just worn down a little.


    -Rob
     
  11. kendo

    kendo New Member

    Look at the shaft on the arrows. They dont seem very clean to me. I still say fake
     
  12. NathansCoin

    NathansCoin New Member

    Im sorry to say this. but the arrows look a little odd. I have seen a good number of real and fake gold coin. and that one might actaully be made of gold but it might not be a REAL coin. Those rippled arrows make me wonder. Do you have any of the same design to compare it to? IN PERSON
     
  13. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Your coin appears to have a large date, however, the 5 is not closed, which makes me further suspect the coin. Is the 1 plainly doubled to the naked eye? It would be the base of the 1 btw.
     
  14. sumorada

    sumorada Senior Member

    no doulbling on the 1 ,i don't think the coin is fake,the surface of the coin that was mentioned in the other post is due to i being nicked and dinged up it was worn as jewelry,if it is fake it was not cast,that i know for sure,i'm a bench jeweler and caster myself,i don't understand why people here on the forum see red flags with this coin,am i missig something?
     
  15. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    No red flags here :) Just a VF looking coin...

    Ben
     
  16. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    looks real to me, banged up and worn but real...but I am no expert
     
  17. tcore

    tcore Coin Collector

    I'd say it appears to be real as well, but very banged up, which might make sense if it was in jewelry. However, the color of the coin in your images is terrible, which may be throwing some people. Also, most of us are used to looking at less worn gold coins, so it throws people to see a worn one. I also think it's a real stretch to say there's doubling on your coin.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    This is what concerns me - see the raised bumps I have circled ? And all of the small raised bumps below the line I have drawn ? Marks like that are not present on struck coins and they can't occur as the result of wear or post mint damage.

    I've been wrong before, but such marks are certainly reason to be concerned since they are one of the hallmarks of a counterfeit coin.
     

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  19. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Another thing that is suspcicious about this coin, is that there is a small and large date. The small date has a closed 5, and the large date has an open 5, with doubling that should be naked eye visible, I should also mention that the large date rather rare.
     
  20. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Breen (B-6890 to 6892) mentions a large & samll date, small date is supposed to be very rare.
    This piece does not match that shown by Breen.
    Anso, regarding the repunched date, Breen does not mention one as known to him.
     
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