Blown Die or What?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Bluesmanmoney, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. Bluesmanmoney

    Bluesmanmoney New Member

    This came out of circulation. The collar held as it has full rim, rim is in place and not malformed.The field is blown to the bulge on the obverse and indented in the reverse. What happened. What would you call this error?
     

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's gonna take somebody that knows more about errors than me to answer that one. I'd say it was a cud - but I don't think I've ever seen the reverse do that :confused:
     
  4. Bluesmanmoney

    Bluesmanmoney New Member

    GDJMSP yes when I first found it I saw the obverse and thought " WOW' what a cudd, but then when I flipped it over it indents as far in on the reverse. Gotta admit it I'm not an error man but I'll have to hang on to this one!

    Oh by the way this came in change in Ogden at a Burger King on Washington north of Downtown!
     
  5. cdb1950

    cdb1950 Senior Member

    Great find! That is a pretty amazing die break or 'cud'. Very popular among error collectors. I'd think you could sell this for enough to take a couple people to dinner at the best restaraunt in Ogden. I'll look in the cud book when I find it to see if it is a known die break. Usually, these large cuds occur in stages and there might be an earlier known die state where the date is still present.

    The reverse 'bubble' occured during the strike. With so much of the obverse die missing, the reverse die really didn't have much to press against during the strike, so a large part of the reverse design opposite the break wasn't transferred to the planchet. The metal just kind of 'pouched' up into the obverse die break. It had to go somewhere, and since the rim was secured against the collar and the reverse die was on the bottom, the metal just pushed up into the hole of the die break. This is common with cuds, the larger the cud, the more dramatic the reverse blank area.

    Excellent find! Congratulations!
     
  6. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I got one just as severe at a fast food joint in Conecticut several years ago. My best circulation find, I think.

    Mine is what the call an "atheist cud" because it is on the other side of the obverse and blocks out part of the motto.

    They are great diplay pieces - very impressive.

    As noted, that area on the reverse is standard on such a big cud, since there was nothing providing support in that area on the other side.
     
  7. owenm08

    owenm08 New Member

    I'd say is a die break, pretty significant, but I cant explain the break on the reverse.
     
  8. Bluesmanmoney

    Bluesmanmoney New Member

    cdb1950 Thanks let me know if you find it in the book.I'm gonna have to start working on my Library again..........................LOL
     
  9. Bluesmanmoney

    Bluesmanmoney New Member

    Anyone else have an opinion on the cause of this error.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Major obverse die break. A large piece of the obverse die has broken off and fallen away. With no metal to form the planchet the metal of the planchet flowed into the void creating the raised lump. Since there was no pressure at that point the metal was not forced into the smaller deprssions on the reverse and actually buckled slightly towards the obverse from trying to sprad sideways against the collar.
     
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