Block this bidder!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jwitten, Jul 26, 2015.

  1. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    A few weeks ago, I got a notice from paypal of a claim. The buyer claimed the package was torn, and the coin missing. I called paypal, and they assured me I would be protected, even if it was found in buyers favor (I doubted that). I just got notice they sided with him, and I lost $280. I looked at his previous feedback, and he has done this at least 2 other times. I thought it was fishy that he never contacted me. I looked up his number on ebay, and called him to get more info (right after claim was filed), and after I told him who I was, he hung up on me. Yup, we have a scammer! Block bonesaw_2013
     
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  3. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Maybe you do have a scammer. Although I had an incident about three years ago with an dishonest postal worker who sorted the mail. He would looked up the return address on the search feature via the internet. These included jewelers, galleries and local auction houses. If I didn't know my regular mailman for over twenty year, I don't think I would have found out. He shared this with me on the Q.T. I had filed several claims with the post office and got Paypal to pay on all but one. I tip him every Christmas. I think this is a bigger problem then they want to admit.
     
  4. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Just blocked his butt! That's just crazy and not fair to the seller at all. Anyone can say, their mailer was torn and they never received the coin. Not only that but you said the buyer had two priors for that same hustle, doesn't PayPal take that into account? I guess not!
     
  5. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I was always under the impression from what I;ve heard AND from what I've experienced first hand is that if the package is torn with the contents missing that the Post Office marks the package to reflect it's delivered condition.

    They do have a "stick on" which is applied during the various sorting processes when the mishap is discovered.
     
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  6. stewart dandis

    stewart dandis Well-Known Member

    AAAAHHHHHHH, that's too bad.


    KARMA says I, you deserve it.
     
  7. Stephan77

    Stephan77 Well-Known Member

    I guess it was because Amazon doesn't allow it and eBay wanted to be more like Amazon, but as most know, Ebay doesn't allow sellers to leave negative feedback to buyers any longer, and they haven't for a number of years now. Ebay had a decent system in place to warn sellers about serial scammers, and now they don't.

    Only positive feedback from sellers about buyers is allowed on Ebay. That being said, positive feedback for a scammer can be left with "commentary" about the transaction. Ebay supposedly doesn't want sellers to leave negative remarks about buyers either, but carefully worded comments to get past the bots can help warn other sellers about scammer buyers.

    Definitely report the scammer buyer to Ebay, but unfortunately for the scammed seller, it's like reporting the lost horse after the barn door was left open.
     
  8. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    I'm sorry but you are misinformed with this information. Here is a copied format from my side of the Feedback side for the seller. You can leave negative feedback plus there is a short comment section with this:
    Rate this transaction
    Positive
    Neutral
    Negative
    I'll leave Feedback later
     
  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yes, when you buy something, you can leave negative feedback for the seller.

    Sellers cannot leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers. It's been that way for a number of years now. That's one reason I stopped selling on eBay for years, even though I was a Power Seller during the early to mid-2000s.
     
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  10. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    As of today I still buy and sell on eBay and yes you can leave negative feedback. The proof is the copy and pasted info below, which states it can be done, after 7 days and if you and the buyer cannot work it out....you say you stopped years ago, today you can...
    Rate this transaction
    Positive
    Neutral
    Negative
    I'll leave Feedback later contact the seller to try to work things out.
     
  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    @jwitten, I'm sorry that you took a loss on this. Given eBay's standard approach to Buyer Protection, though, I'm afraid I'm not surprised.

    I guess the only way a seller can protect himself against this type of attack is through insurance. If the package really was torn and emptied during shipment -- either by faulty equipment/handling or by criminal activity -- that would be fair grounds for an insurance claim. If the buyer is lying, well, he'd need to defend that lie to the Post Office, which seems a bit more intimidating than just filing an eBay dispute.

    It certainly is possible that this is a bad/fraudulent buyer, but it's also possible that he's dealing with a bad PO employee at his end. If I were in his shoes, having received several torn and empty packages, I'd be talking to the PO about it. I'd also be contacting each seller I buy from in advance, advising them of the situation and asking them to make sure they package my shipments with extra care.
     
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  12. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Look again at that last line. It says "contact the seller to try to work things out." In other words, before you as a buyer leave negative feedback for the seller, you can contact the seller to work things out. You're looking at the form for leaving feedback as a buyer.

    If you're the seller, you cannot leave negative feedback for the buyer. I wish it were different, but it's not.
     
  13. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Blocked . . . whether guilty of theft or not, I don't want to deal with someone who would treat a seller this way.

    If it is the Postal System taking the contents of this buyer's packages, I still don't want to deal with this buyer, as the probability of loss on the seller's part is still unacceptably high.
     
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  14. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    You ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, this is correct and it's my bad. I should have gone to seller feedback. It says you can report them. Again my apologizes to the information I stated above. It's Sunday I need to go back to bed !
     
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  15. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I am sorry, but I believe you have misunderstood the point. A buyer, the party purchasing the item, CAN leave negative feedback for the seller (the party selling the item), but not the other way around.
     
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  16. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    see above :oops:
     
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  17. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Ah, yes... one of the unfortunate happenings that can take place when two are writing at the same time. Duly noted. ;)
     
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  18. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I wasn't aware a seller couldn't leave feedback as discussed above---that seems ludicrous to me since there are obviously a few unscrupulous buyers out there like the one the OP describes...
     
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  19. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    The best thing is just what jwitten did above. Name the person and put it out there for all to know. Warn others of these activities. If there is an attempt to block anyone from leaving negative information on the web about such buyers, then they are complicit in this practice especially eBay.
     
  20. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I believe a seller can leave negative feedback for a buyer if they (the seller) chooses to eat the loss and pay final value fee (FVF). My understanding is that the seller cannot leave negative feedback only if they request a credit for FVF. Is that not correct? Regardless it sucks. Just about every seller is going to ask for FVF credit.
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2015
  21. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    As of right now, it seems the best/only thing to do is report buyer to eBay and then share your experience in online communities and forums (such as this one). I wonder if eBay analyzes the number of block lists a particular member is on and takes that into any consideration?
     
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