Better than average counterfeit 1914 D Cent

I wanted to post this one up because it was one of the rare counterfeits that got by me. I sold this piece several of months ago on eBay. I got a call from the buyer last week saying that pcgs had given it the ole "questionable authenticity". I of course extended a full refund to the buyer and he was very happy.

It's got the right shape to the mintmark, no VDB on the shoulder... this is a really good one.

 

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So is it a counterfeit or a genuine 1944-D altered to 1914-D?

 

It has been altered somehow. I think the coin itself is genuine... altered from a 1914 P possibly. I'm honestly not sure.

 

Ths spacing of the numerals in the date make me think a 1914 with an added mintmark is more likely than an altered 1944-D.

Either way that is one good fake 1914-D. I'm sure it would slip past a lot of dealers.

 

What will you do with it Matt?

 

I think the mint mark is the issue. Either someone tried to make the inside of the D triangular or it was damaged , but it appears half way,part rounded and part triangular, and more space in it than I have seen. Questionable is a good call on it rather than fake.

 

If it is an added mint mark, it is a primo example for those who think such would be impossible to do without obvious detection.

 

First of, there is way too much beard etc. detail for that to be a 1940 anything coin. Positive of that. The rest of this is supposition.
The 14-D is noted for weak strike/poor detail. The detail of the hair on that ear is not on any 14-d I can find nor on any 1914-P. In fact, I find no year with the hair locks looking like that on the ear. Also, that rim look funky with its taper. I believe that is a totally fake coin. Whether or not I would have caught that without being told it were fake, I have no idea.

 

Would of fooled me , except I'd never buy that nice a '14-D without it being in a top slab .

 

A lot of the earlier fakes involved gluing a D on the coin for the mintmark. This appears to be more professional, like someone could have moved the metal around with enough skill to even make an S into a D. With a great deal of skill it could be possible.

 

I think the mintmark is supposed to be much more stick-like from looking at images of various certified coins, whereas this one is bowed out and fatter. Just my noob opinion :smile

 

WOW! That's the best fake I've ever seen...if it is fake. The obv detail is supreme, looks like a 1916. It would have to be an EDS..... very early. I don't think I've seen one quite that detailed. I can see how you fell for it Matt!

 

The more I look, the more I see wrong. The L in LIBERTY leans, the B upper loop is wrong as is the loop on the R. The D in GOD is too open. The S in TRUST is wrong. The P, B, and S are wrong in PLURIBUS. The more I look, I am becoming convinced it is a total fake,

 

This is definitely not a new counterfeit. It was in an old coin board when I bought it. It matched the other coins well and had been in the board for some time.

 

I'm with Rim I think it is a total fake the surfaces in the fields seem odd and I suspect it is probably made with EDM or spark erosion dies.

 

I don't know, rlm. I think it's darned good, if it's fake. Below is my real one, alongside the questionable one.

PCGS and NGC never declare a coin counterfeit. It gets messy with the Secret Service. So everything is "questionable" so they can be returned to the submitters. But we can read between the lines. When the TPG's really can't decide they return it with a "no decision, refund". Happened twice to me.

I've been wrong a lot lately. That mintmark looks a little small, doesn't it? And the surfaces trouble me. You and Condor are probably right.
Lance.

 

Thanks for that Lance. You're right, the MM is too small. It's a genuine 1914D with an added MM. Man, that's still a scary good fake!

 

I likewise think it is a good one, but everything I look at has these little inconsistencies. Nothing I would say that this one item says it is a fake, but there are way too many of them.

 

Interesting discourse......

 

It appears to me to be an added mintmark on a real 1914 from Philly.