Better one, better two? Is this worse or better?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by spiritunbroken, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. spiritunbroken

    spiritunbroken New Member

    Just looking for a few friendly opinions.

    Consider the following two auctions:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3954791533&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11964&item=3954894016&rd=1

    Um, I have no mad HTML skillz, so I guess you might have to cut and paste. Sorry. OH HEY! It does it for me. Clever!

    To my eye on my 17" emachine monitor, they both look like very nice, probably lightly dipped coins. I wish I could see larger pics of them. What would your comparison be of the one in the NNC holder to the one in the NGC? I know the general opinion of the NNC slabs here, but I am interested in the coin and the one in the NGC holder offers a good opportunity for comparison.

    Thanks!
    Gary
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My opinion - yes both coins have been dipped. But the NGC coin is unc - the other is not. I'd grade the NNC as AU50 - and think the NGC coin is graded accurately.
     
  4. MorganFred

    MorganFred New Member

    I would be suspect of the NNC-graded coin if for no other reason than it is from NNC. It also illustrates a problem I have with eBay coin descriptions like this: they are too sketchy if they say anything at all. I like to see descriptions which include details which aren't picked up in the scans/photos plus qualifications such as, in this instance, the coin might have been dipped.

    If it were me, I'd send an email to the seller asking his honest opinion about the coin. He's a high-volume seller with relatively few negative feedbacks and might actually respond with an honest answer (if he responds at all). If I wanted an 1853 quarter bad enough, I'd bid based on EF or AU-50 values at the most and hope I got lucky.
     
  5. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Man!!
    I like that NNC coin--it would be a nice coin to add to any collection.

    Speedy
     
  6. susanlynn9

    susanlynn9 New Member

    The NNC auction does not provide large enough pictures for me to be comfortable grading it and there are too many complaints in the seller's feedback.

    The NGC coin is suspect for me. I don't like all the scraping of the reverse label and the seller doesn't even bother to explain it.

    I would not be interested in either.
     
  7. spiritunbroken

    spiritunbroken New Member

    I suspected this would be the answer, and agree with Morgan Fred also as to what a max bid should be. Although I really thought it a 53 or 55 as opposed to a 50. Where do you see the most wear?

    I plan on cracking the two NNC coins I purchased and submitting to PCGS just out of sheer morbid curiousity.
     
  8. spiritunbroken

    spiritunbroken New Member


    I am not surprised by the label scraping. So many slabs these day at shows seem to have the dealers' own labeling on back. And the slabs I buy from David Lawrence have large, annoying labels that cover the entire bit you see on the back of that NGC slab. I don't even try to pull them off because you are left with what you see in the photo. It is annoying.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    The scraping of the label is not unusual. NGC had a batch of slabs made that had this happen to them. It is caused by dealers/sellers placing their own adhesive label on the slab, usually in this area so as not to obscure the coin. Trouble is - when someone goes to peel this label off - the NGC label comes with it. NGC has offered to re-holder these - submitter pays shipping.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The pics were not that good - so I blew them up. The reverse has quite a bit of wear that is visible on the eagle. As for the obverse - it was to hard to say for sure because of the angle used when the pic was taken - but there looked to be an equal amount of wear on Liberty.
     
  11. susanlynn9

    susanlynn9 New Member

    That makes sense. In that case, I would choose the NGC coin if I had to choose, but still wish the pictures were better. Even with the top tier TPG's, I prefer to be able to make my own judgements. I'm probably spoiled because my husband takes incredibly large, clear pictures. So I feel like every auction should have pictures like that.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Amen to that ;)

    But for those that don't have such pics - it often pays to be able to "massage" the ones you do have :D
     
  13. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    I don't see anything higher than EF on the NNC coin. The difference in reverses is amazing.
     
  14. spiritunbroken

    spiritunbroken New Member

    Technical question:

    I tried enlarging the photo, but the resolution of the original photo makes this difficult. It just pixelates in large blocks that makes the coins look VG. Do I need a program like Photoshop, or what am I missing?
     
  15. susanlynn9

    susanlynn9 New Member

    It helps to save the image as a .tif file first. That way, you don't lose as much detail as you enlarge it. As a .jpg, you lose considerable detail as you blow the picture up.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The trouble most folks with enlarging pics is the try to blow them up too large. This is not necessary. Rarely will ever blowup a pic to more than double the original size and often only 50%. It all depends on how large the pic is to begin with.
     
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