Beginner's Luck?

Hi again! Just wanted to share a bunch of photos here, but i can only upload 10 apparently. These pictures are all of separate coins, with two 1967 Kennedy half dollars and one 1969-D Kennedy. I've took the pictures intending on cropping them into oblivion to upload here, but alas, they ended up on my imgur page instead.

https://imgur.com/a/hKkULHP

The 1967's look spot on compared to PCGS photos but they don't have a variety listing for the 1967-D. Varietyvista does, however, with lots of examples available. At least that's how I'm seeing it. I'm still trying to get accustomed to that site.

What are your thoughts? Purely beginners luck or are you feeling that I am mistaken?

Thanks for your time either way, and I hope you all have a wonderful evening!

 

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Not a doubled die varieties.
Flat and shelflike..
Try again.

 

SORRY. All strike doubling.

 

Have you looked at the photos on PCGS or are you just saying that? Because the provided examples on PCGS for this variety are nearly identical.

 

Here's a (much shinier) example directly from PCGS

 

I don't agree with the PCGS photos. I think they are wrong. It happens.

 

Ok. Thanks for your time

 

There seems to be a lot of these. No-regrets, many decades ago some "Error-Experts" ( in my opinion ) started competition in who could list the most as they saw them, as the more they listed, the more people started following them. Today several have deceased, but some continue. Their presence cause a lot of confusion. ETSY and E=Bay have large numbers. USACoinbook.com have some of misinformed also listed, but not as bad. Paddy is correct IMO. Jim

 

I am definitely not in the mindset of "I'm right, you're wrong no matter what" and I humbly realize that I am still a beginner at collecting. However, I am rather good at deciphering information available to me and analyzing data and images, and everything hinges back onto the PCGS images.

IMO, they are the baseline for identifying this variety, unless you are saying they are wrong like some others might claim.

If not for those PCGS images, I would probably write these off as machine doubling without a second thought. But as it appears through photo comparison, it appears that I potentially have some rather interesting variety coins here. The reasoning to tell me I am mistaken is lacking context (to me, at least) when it comes down to comparing images. Maybe there is something I am missing and completely unaware of?

Again, I wholly admit to being new to coin collecting. But I have also done a fair amount of research before joining here, and I am also on other platforms as well for a more in-depth learning experience. Please help educate me, even slightly, and I will add to my knowledge of this addictive little hobby even more. Thank you!!

Edit: Could it possibly be die deterioration? If so, then how is one to tell the difference between the two when my images are so similar to the PCGS images?

 

Die deterioration in my opinion is quite possible, but most ( including myself) wants to see the whole coin to decide as die deterioration effects are generally across the whole coin. I wouldn't debate at all that PCGS are generally right on grades, but not that they don't make mistakes sometimes. I truly believe @Insider of ICG is better for errors and varieties ( although he is somewhat irritating at time on the forum
and ICG is cheaper as it gives our forum a discount. Jim

 

There are plenty of photos on the imgur link provided earlier, but none of them are with my 108MP camera. I took the photos intending on putting them here collapsed down per site requirements, but just put a small set of teasers from them as seen at the original post.

Unfortunately, my coin scope was a very cheap one from Amazon and doesn't have the capability for super-high resolution photos. I'm taking pictures of a screen on a dumbed-down setting on my phone, then cropping and compressing them to be able to upload here. I'll see if I can dig out my stuff again tonight or tomorrow and upload some high-res photos to imgur for better viewing.

Edit: My phone's 108MP camera mode tends to negate any and all kinds of luster, but it shows every tiny mark you could hope to see. It's the best option I have for clarity but not the best for other coins where that cartwheel effect is important.

 

You are reading the photos all wrong. Please post a link to the coin you took from PCGS.
PCGS only recognizes 1 DDR it is 801 and it is doubled on the stars below states and around the rim. What you have is flat and shelf like Or Mechanical doubling.

 

It's on coinfacts. Look up the year, scroll down to varieties, there it is under FS-801. I have the app, so I don't have a link for reference, but it's right there for you, and the shiny image above is directly from that app

 

Add these two sites to your collection for determining the many types of doubling:
https://www.error-ref.com/?s=classes+of+doubled+dies

https://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/OtherFormsOfDoubling.htm

 

Added to my folder, thanks!

 

There are several examples where machine doubling can mimic true doubled dies. The 1969 S DDO cent is one example. Many of the normal cents show machine doubling and is often confused. There are plenty of other examples but I don't want to try to list them all.

 

Sorry but it’s not a doubled die coin. It’s flat and shelf like and that means it’s doubled but not the kind you want.

 

Well, here is the issue. PCGS shows three different examples of FS-801, one of their examples also exhibits machine doubling and that is the picture you are showing. If the doubling you are showing was the doubled die, it would be on all three examples. FS-801 has very subtle doubling not readily visible.

 

Thank you for trying to help me make sense of all of this. What you are saying would make perfect sense to me if not for the fact that every single picture PCGS has listed on the app for this FS-801 variety exhibits exactly what you are saying is machine doubling.

Also, the varieties for this mintage are DDO FS-102, DDO FS-103, and DDR FS-801, so I'm not sure what you mean by three different examples of FS-801. There are 9 images available for viewing on coinfacts (under the "more images" section) and every one of them shows this doubling to some degree. It's so subtle in fact that you can not see it without magnification, but it just so happens that we can zoom in to see those details right here on our own screens.

Where is the doubling located if not for the lettering on the reverse for this?

Edit: Even the images viewable on the auction sites show this type of doubling. At least the ones that I have searched so far, that is.

 

Granted that this excerpt is regarding the 1964 mintage of this coin, but it describes the doubling for this FS-801 as in the letters. Here's the top example from PCGS.