Hi! I noticed that 2 of my coins (km# 515) were different, then noticed ngc notes there used to be locks and curls varieties under km# 512.1-4, but now there’s not. I’m assuming they were combos of open/closed with single/multi? Does anyone know what the 4 were? Also, why did they remove the designations? The hair style around the ear are much different. The curls on top are much more subtle... but there’s even bead size difference, etc. Thank you!!!
Sorry - I meant krause 915 with my coins. they used to be 512. I will have further pictures later - I got distracted by the O... it looked tilted, then just started taking macro shots. It's like a combination of Canadian, Israeli, Indian, and British varieties, so why lump them all together? To me, this is more fascinating than some of the "pointy 5" or "thick date" varieties that are still recognized. Tilted "O" reminds me of some D in Dei Gratia error (blanking on the coin) The "V" difference reminds me of the serif you find on Israeli large/small dates Bead differences... Canadian dollars Legend close to head (or crown) - Australia (I think?) Dates... 1903-D and 1891-D. I've checked PCGS for other dates and some of the photos for one date in the series clearly show the varieties here... plus the hair around the ears - one is like a solid curl and the other has multiple curls. There's a lot of other things that just stick out, neck truncation, lip open/separated, flat/arched eyebrows. I'm assuming those are linked, but maybe they're not? Oh. and I forget which coin has which, but there's position A and B variations (edge lettering) on the two coins I have... So Belgian varieties.... So potentially, that's 8 potential varieties (2x2x2 - curl / locks / position).... and they lump them? These aren't massive mintages either... That's why I'm curious. Why did they remove the designation.... laziness? You'd figure this would be a gold mine, especially for PCGS. Once I take some good photos, I'll post. Just a warning - IMHO - These both should have been body bagged with a .92 instead of a .45. And then there's this recent surge of EDM/MF slabs... sorry I'm on a PCGS rant now. Away from that tangent - Does anyone have the old 512.1, 512.2, 512.3, and 512.4 descriptions? Thanks again everyone!
512.1 closed curl 512.2 open curl 512.3 many locks of hair above ear, closed curl 512.4 large lock of hair above ear, closed curl
Well I went to my krause catalogs and they says the varieties exist, but do not show them. Might I suggest you look at completed auctions on Ebay and as well as current Ebay auction for these coin dates. Good luck to you.
I REALLY apologize for the late response - I've been loaded with taking my dad to appointments. Here are some of obverse pictures. The reverses aren't very spectacular - I don't think Krause made any big notes. For each group of photos: The first is the 1903-D The second is the 1891-D Here's my guess, without knowing what they look like The 1903 looks like it is an open curl making it a 512.2. The 1891 looks like it is a closed curl with many locks, so 512.3. However, I'm curious if there's design doubling on the 1891... Why I'm curious (besides the locks/curls): (1) There are two types of D's. One is wide, the other is narrow. (2) The distance between beads What I'm curious about: Are the "small" and "large" beads a change over time? Or are they associated with one of the varieties. If not, would that count as more varieties? Is the "wide" D associated with an open curl, "narrow" D with a closed curl? Thus, would it be possible to have a 512.3 hub paired with a 512.2 hub? (narrow D over a wide D) Again, sorry for the late response, might be late again, but let me know if you need more/better pictures!!! Thanks!!!
