Bare head of Antoninus Pius

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  1. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    I bought this interesting Pius denarius with bare head bust that was struck when Caesar was. Post your Pius denarii or whatever you consider relevant. Thanks.

    Antoninus Pius, as Caesar, AR Denarius. Rome, AD 138. IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS, bare head right / AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DES II, Fides standing right holding corn-ears and basket of fruits. RIC 12.

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  3. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    antonius pius 003.JPG antonius pius denarious 002.JPG kool!....i just got (and posted) this but what the hey!:)..it's fresh anyway ^^
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Why do you consider your coin as Caesar when the reverse legend includes AVG?

    Without AVG = just TRIB POT COS
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    AVG on reverse - PM TRP COS DES II
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    AVG on obverse - TRP COS II
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  5. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I like those bare-headed Antoninus Pius examples. Interesting to know why is shown that way when he was Augustus - the early Caesar issues and the posthumous issues make sense, but not sure about the Augustus era. I don't think Hadrian shared Augustan titles with him, but I'm not sure.

    I have a couple:

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    Antoninus Pius Denarius
    (140-143 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P COS III, bare head right / GENIVS POP ROMANI, Genius of the Roman people standing front, holding scepter and cornucopiae.
    RIC 70a.
    (2.90 grams / 17 mm)

    This is a sestertius with the Column of Antoninus Pius (barely).

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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice coins all. Here is my only A. Pius. A Dattari plate coin.

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  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I do like the bare head portraits better than the laureate ones. Here's another COS DES II, but with an engraving error on the reverse.
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    ANTONINUS PIUS
    AR Denarius. 3.2g, 19.5mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 9 var. (rev legend). O: IMP T AEL CAES HADRI ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: AVG PIVS P M TR P COS DE (sic!) II, Minerva standing left, holding Victory in her right hand and shield with her left; spear leaning on her left arm.

    And one as Caesar.
    Antoninus Pius - Denarius Diana Caesar 1932.jpg ANTONINUS PIUS, as Caesar
    AR Denarius. 2.91g, 20.8mm. Rome mint, AD 138. RIC 447a (Hadrian). O: IMP T AEL CAES ANTONINVS, bare head right. R: TRIB POT COS, Diana standing right, holding bow and arrow.
    Ex Archer M. Huntington Collection, previously held by the American Numismatic Society (1001.57.4904)
     
  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    man, these are all awesome coins peeps! ..
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    As I recall the story (someone look it up to check as you should anything you read): When Hadrian died, the Senate resisted deifying him but Antoninus Pius refused to adopt the title Augustus until they did. Depending on how you look at it, he was Emperor and did take the major title TRP. There was no question who was Emperor and the Senate wanted the stability of an Augustus. I see this something like if a US President were elected in November but refused to take the oath of office unless Congress gave him something (a wall, universal health care, term limits for Congress...something). Senators' power and wealth were based on the system as it was remaining strong so they had a lot to lose if the system were weakened. Proposing another man to be Emperor would have led to big trouble they could not afford so Antoninus got his wish and the name Pius in the package.

    Beginner Trivia: Any coin that reads "Antoninus Pius" is not from this Antoninus. His later coins read "Antoninus Augustus (AVG) Pius". The early issues that read Pius have it on the reverse. Coins with the two words adjacent belong to later Emperors we know better from nicknames (Caracalla and Elagabalus).
     
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  11. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    When you have a rare coin, it is likely that another example is die-identical. Though there are differences due to the wear of the dies, it is clear that Zumbly's error denarius is a die-match to mine. Most of the early issues are bare-headed, though laureate ones exist and the same goes for later issues, though bare heads are much rarer.
    Thanks Doug for your wise remarks.

    Frans
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Interesting portrait, @gogili1977 ! The Numophylacium Sulzerianum, the catalog of the collection of Jacob Sulzer published in 1777, (incorrectly) considered Annona to be the figure on the reverse:

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    The description of the reverse is translated "Annona standing type, holding corn ears in the right hand and basket of fruits in the left hand."

    I don't have a denarius with a bare-headed Pius. Here's an Antoninus Pius denarius with an actual Annona reverse, though:

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    RIC 175; BMCRE 657-59.
     
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  13. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Thanks on information. Your Pius denarius is very sharp.
     
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  14. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    Very rare is an aegis on the breast; I only have a handful of denarii with the head of medusa with snakes.

    Frans
     

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  15. dougsmit

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    This is a very good point that new collectors might learn. The word 'rare' is much abused. If there are a hundred examples and a thousand people want them, a coin might be termed rare but what do we call a coin known by two or three examples? Maridvnvm and I each have some rare coins of Septimius Severus with matching dies. Many of the dies we see are immediately recognizable to us because we have seen a good percentage of all the dies used in the period of our interest. Several reverses are only known to us from one die so all examples that turn up are die matched. There never were many of these coins and fewer survive. On the other hand there are coins where it is a red letter day when you find a die match. The same type was made in huge numbers using enough dies that the issue could be called common if only a few examples of each die survived.

    There is a rare exception in the coinage of Pescennius Niger. A random sample of a thousand of his coins will show many more dies than a thousand Eastern mint Septimius from the first period when the two were fighting would show. We find fewer die matches in those coins. I take this as evidence that there once were many more coins of Pescennius than there are now. This supports the theory that Septimius outlawed the possession of the coins of his defeated enemy. Sometimes exceptions to rules prove interesting since we have to ask why.
     
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  16. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice example. I've been on the hunt for a Pius as Caesar denarius.

    Mine is an IMPERATOR II type, minted for that proclamation following the completion of the Antonine Wall in Britain
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