Are there any Individual country cat's available? I realy dont want to buy the great big 3 volumes of Krause as most of it I woudnt use LOL I have the US Black Book & the UK year book but am looking for one for German notes, Astro/Hungarian & Russian dont have to be able to read them just follow the purty pictures LOL the most important been the German.
There are, but they are more difficult to find. Certain countries are not too bad - Germany, Russia, Canada, etc., but ... oh, say Zambia for instance, might be a little more difficult to pin one down. I have to look mainly on Amazon or Barnes & Noble to get the cataloges... but there is a newer website now through Krause you might want to check out. They have some other catalogues besides the big three listed. http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis.jsp
Steve,there are catalogues on British Isles banknotes,but I find the one by Vincent Duggleby extremely difficult to follow. Aidan.
Well nothing in the Krause bookstore unfortunatly, Aidan I dont need any for the UK, the year book is ideal for my wants
Steve,it is a real pity that the Welsh 'Black Sheep' banknotes aren't listed in either Pick or in the British banknote yearbooks. Do you reckon that they should be listed? I think that they should be,as they were used as legitimate currency for a short time,as was the Cornish banknotes were. Aidan.
Not in the year book no as they were not officialy sanctioned as far as I am aware, not even sure how widely used they were.
Steve,the 'Black Sheep' notes were actually given approval by the Board of Trade as opposed to the Bank of England.To me,that is being given official sanction.The same thing applies to the Chatham Islands banknotes,which were approved for circulation by the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. Aidan.
That would at best make them tokens and not Banknotes they have to be autherised by the Bank of England
In other words, they could be in German too? Well, there is the Rosenberg for example (German banknotes 1871-today) ... more info is at http://www.gietl-verlag.de/index.php?seite=buchdetail&buchnr=44&cat_id=5&ver_id= The table of contents (Inhaltsverzeichnis) and sample pages (Leseprobe) are available in PDF or FlashPaper format. That publishing house also has a catalog of Swiss notes (and lots of notgeld literature) but not Austria/Hungary or Russia, I think. An overview is here: http://www.gietl-verlag.de/index.php?seite=buecher&cat_id=5&ver_id= Christian
Steve,the Board of Trade was a British Government department that was tied up with the Treasury,so the Welsh banknotes got official sanction through that route. Aidan.
Thank you Christian will check that out, it looks promising. Aidan when the British Army wanted to produce notes for use by themselfs they had to get the consent of the Bank of England. The BoT as it then was is not permited to Authorise the issuing of Banknotes any more than the Inland revenue or VAT people can, nor can the NHS or DVLA and they too are departments of the Goverment. Yep the German one is what I am after. Christian Many Thanks
Steve,don't forget that the Treasury can also issue their own banknotes as well.In fact,they actually exercised their note-issuing right between 1914 & 1928,when they issued mostly 10/- & 1 Quid notes. I've got a 10/- from the 1922-23 issue. Aidan.
Now then Aiden please read the Highlighted portion of this text, it is from HM Treasury own online guidelines mainly about counterfitting and forgery but there is a relavent passage. Banknotes (i) Notes issued in England and Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland Section 18(1) of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 provides that it is an offence without prior written consent from the relevant authority for any person, to reproduce on any substance whatsoever, and whether or not on the correct scale, any British currency note or any part of a British Currency note. A British currency note is defined by the Act, as any note which (a) has been lawfully issued in England and Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland; (b) is or has been customarily used as money in the country where it was issued; and (c) is payable on demand. Relevant authority in relation to a British currency note of a particular description, is the authority that is empowered by law to issue notes of that description. The Bank of England is the only authority empowered by law to issue notes in England and Wales. It also holds the copyright in the designs of the notes that it issues. Information on the procedure applicable to the reproduction of Bank of England banknotes including how to apply for consent can be obtained from the Bank website at http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/ or, by writing to: Notes Reproduction Officer Notes Division Bank of England Threadneedle Street HM Treasury have written these set of guidelines with the approval of the Royal Mint, Lord Chamberlains Office and the Bank of England. They set out the Treasurys view of the law and are not intended to constitute legal advice. Individuals should seek their own independent legal advice before proceeding with any project. Now do you believe me when I tell you that the Bank of England is the only body that can legaly produce banknotes?
Steve,that may be the current situation,but there was an Act of Parliament that was passed in 1914 that empowered H.M. Treasury to issue banknotes & to declare them to be legal tender along with the banknotes that were issued by the Bank of England (which,at that time,was a private organisation owned by its shareholders). In 1914,there was also legislation passed that also declared British Postal Orders to be legal tender only within the British Isles.These made them banknotes as well. Aidan.
Steve,no-one is like the sharpest tool in the shed,as it were,but you can find the legislation through the official legislation website that lists the Acts of the British Parliament,as enacted by both Houses. Aidan.
Aiden the dept of trade admited they did not have the authority to allow him to issue banknotes in the 1st place, also try reading the 19 July 1844 Bank Charter Act and Companies Act , Parliament legislates to control the economy and establish rules of commercial conduct. During the first half of the 19th century, many banks have over-issued paper banknotes and then collapsed. The Bank Charter Act prevents new banks from issuing their own banknotes and strictly limits the number of notes established banks can issue. The Bank of England is given control over how many banknotes can be in circulation, based on the level of its securities and gold bullion reserves. The Companies Act requires companies to register publicly and submit annual accounts. Now that is direct from the act The Treasuary notes were printed with the permission of the Chancellor Lloyd George who over rode the Bank of England objections that 'such low value notesd would have to be printed on special paper so take time' by getting the Treasury to do them, the 1st issues were done over a single weekend by Waterlows, He wanted them done in a hurry to preserve the countries gold. He announced it in Parliment on the 5th of August & they were done by the 7th. Under the 1928 Currency & Banknotes act the Bank of England assumed all responsibility for issuing Banknotes in England & Wales. Now how many more acts of parliment do you want me to quote before you admit that the Bank of England has the final & only say as to who issues Banknotes in England & Wales??
Steve,the Acts of Parliament that were passed in 1914 in relation to banknotes are the Currency & Bank Notes Act & the Currency & Bank Notes (Amendment) Act. Aidan.
Aiden I honestly dont care what act they are you still refuse to accept that the Bank of England is the only one with authority to issue or to allow the issuing of Banknotes in England & Wales, the BoT admited they were wrong and passed the buck to the Inland revenue. Even the Scotish Banks, who can issue notes must have on deposit at the Bank of England the same sum of money as notes they issue, williams had a company with shares worth £100
