Aureolus

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  1. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Hello friends,

    Just got my Aureolus, please post yours FullSizeRender.jpg
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice detail @Svarog
    Aureolus 1.jpg
    AUREOLUS
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP POSTVMVS AVG, radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust of Postumus right
    REVERSE: VIRTVS EQVIT, Virtus advancing right, holding transverse spear and shield; T in ex.
    Struck at Mediolanum, 268 AD
    3.17g, 19mm
    RIC V 388
     
  4. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    wanted to get it for 2 months:)
     
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  5. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    If a coin doesn't bear the name or image of the ruler - is it really a coin "of" that ruler?

    It's the same with the "Pontius Pilate" prutah, for example - which, as far as I'm concerned is a Tiberius prutah.

    For this reason, Aureolus isn't included in my own portrait series of Roman rulers.
     
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  6. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    Great coins, i like coins with mars on it
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great looking coin @Svarog , crisp details, I especially like the reverse.

    RI Postumus struck by Aureolus 268 CE Revolt of Milan Concordia.jpg
    RI Postumus struck by Aureolus 268 CE Revolt of Milan Concordia
     
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  8. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    It is a coin issued under the authority of that ruler. Of course many coins were issued by someone other than whose portrait appears on the coin. Some people record who actually issued the coin along with the ruler on the coin. For instance, many coins of Constantine I were not struck under his authority. Just one example, struck by Licinius I --

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    I don't think it is so important to include such details though unless it is a coin struck by someone like Vetranio, Magnentius or Aureolus...so something that makes it irregular, struck by someone other than an officially recognized Augustus.

    Here is a coin struck by Vetranio in the name of Constanius II


    Constantius II Thess 133.JPG


    a coin struck by Magnentius in the name of Constantius II

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    and a FIDES EQVIT issued under the authority of Aureolus in the name of Postumus


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  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Like Greg, I also have reservations about coins that lack the portrait or name of the ruler but I understand that the reverse ---and being struck at Milan-- is why 'authorities' (i.e Alfoldi) attribute it to Aureolus and I grabbed one to fill my 'album hole' of the Roman Emperors:

    aureolus ant  postumus.jpg aureolus ant reverse, postumus.jpg
     
  10. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Fair enough Greg, but for this one, I just couldn't miss it - he was very well respected military commander + Usurper
     
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  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very nice !
     
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  12. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    So, a 2005 San Francisco Mint dime is an Arnold Schwarzeneggar dime, minted under his authority. A 1983 London Mint 50 pence coin is the much sought after Margaret Thatcher 50 pence!

    Sorry, I'm being facetious. I get the arguments. I'm not particularly convinced that this is good terminology. It seems to be more about marketing - especially in the case of Pontius Pilate prutot.
     
  13. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    The mint was under Pilate's local authority, representing the Roman government under Tiberius. Hendin (Guide to Biblical Coins, 4th edition, p. 230ff) asserts it was the procurator representing Rome, the "governor of Judaea" (Luke 3:1), who picked and issued the type -- Pontius Pilate. For one thing, he had been an augur and the lituus is a symbol of augury, which Tiberius supported.

    So, it may be fair to call the "Jewish" pieces with the name of Tiberius and a date corresponding to the governorship of Pontius Pilate pieces "of Pontius Pilate."
     
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  14. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    maybe if it had a barbell on the reverse or something else specifically pertinent to him.


    Why these coins are attributed to Aureolus (short version)--

    the coins often have P,S, or T in the exergue.

    the coins often pay tribute to the Equites (cavalry) and Aureolus was in charge of the cavalry.

    "With a few exceptions they bear reverse legends in honour of the Equites." RIC Vii pg 327.

    and an ancient source talking about Aureolus and Mediolanum (Milan)

    "News was now brought to Gallienus, who was involved in the war against the Scythians, that Aureolus, commander of all the cavalry posted at Mediolanum to prevent Postumus invading Italy, had revolted and was seeking supreme power." Zosimus 1:40
     
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  15. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Here is a high resolution picture Aureolus -3.JPG
     
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  16. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Here's another interesting Aureolus type:

    Aureolus Hercules.jpg

    Postumus Antoninianus, struck under Aureolus 267/268 AD at Milan mint

    Rx: VIRTVS EQVITVM; Hercules standing right, right hand resting on hip, left hand holding lion's skin and club which rests on rock
     
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I remain of the opinion that this is just another of the attempts of dealers to up prices by creating a demand for a personality not on the coin. The dumbest one IMHO are the coins of Constantius Gallus tagged with the name Vetranio because they were from mints and used types that had previously been associated with Vetranio. I prefer to call the coins in question "Postumus from Milan during the time of Aureolus". Relatively few sellers of coins of Constantius II separate those that use minor details that associate them with Vetranio issues from those of the same reverses that match up with Gallus issues.

    I am away from home and my books so I can not be sure I have this correct but why not call this coin a Martinian? the same issue from the same mint struck coins for him unless my memory is failing. Is it a Licinius or a Constantine or a Martinian? I bought it because I wanted a Constantine associated with the time and place of Martinian and I paid a price appropriate for a Constantine. Did I cheat the seller? Did he cheat me? Some of you will be able to name the seller just looking at the patina color.
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    Compare:
    https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=58168
     
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  18. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    This IOVI issue was struck at Cyzicus during the years A.D. 321- 324. So a Constantine issue (struck 321-323) has nothing to do with Martininian as it was issued before the split between Constantine and Licinius and the subsequent elevation of Martinian in 324.
     
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