Attempt at rephotographing troublesome coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Sallent, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    My attempts to photograph a drachm of Azes II, a very difficult coin to photograph due to it's small size.

    The first attempt left a lot to be desired: Dark and not very detailed

    Azes II Indo-Scythian Drachm.jpeg.jpg

    This is my second attempt: Color is more true to life and Athena's detail stand out a lot better I think. Some light issues are evident though which could be improved in the future:


    Azes II Drachm Athena Reverse.jpeg

    Which one do you like best?
     
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  3. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Definitely #2. Just seems a bit fuzzy.

    I have yet to search through this forum to find out how to improve my photos (which definitely need it). Seems like everyone likes Doug's method with the plant pot. (?)
     
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  4. alde

    alde Always Learning

    The first image seems sharper and the second one has better color. How small is the coin? I am finding that my camera won't focus closer than about 8 or 9 inches from the coin so I shoot in the highest resolution and crop it. I have also found that I get the best results when I point a single light source at a white wall about 3 feet from the camera. I have the blinds on the room window closed but get some light from the window. I think you can get some very good results if you play with the lighting.
     
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  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I'm actually considering an LED ring which another cointalk member talked about in some thread, and it seems to distribute light evenly across coins.

    Anyway, I'm probably going to give it one last attempt at rephotographing it tonight, and see if it turns out better than #2: I have some ideas that may work.
     
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  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    The coin is around the size of a US dime, perhaps a tad smaller but not much.
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    #1 is definitely better, solely because it is in focus and the second image is not.

    This looks like the type of coin that will benefit from being tilted slightly towards the light source, brightening the fields. Maybe that's what you did with the second images? @alde may be correct about the second images being taken with the camera closer than its minimum focal distance.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I don't have that reverse and I have not tried it but do think this one might benefit from the ring light. On silver, be careful not to overexpose the shot. You might improve the color and light angle on the first but blanked out highlights and fuzzy focus is permanent so my favorite will be the one you take next (or after that). My coin is just a bit easier to shoot since it is a tetradrachm (with Poseidon).
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  9. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Attempt #3

    I think this might be as good as I'm going to get it. The obverse and reverse reflect light very differently and the small size doesn't help me either.

    What do you think of this attempt vs the other two?

    Azes II Indo-Scythian Drachm w Athena reverse.jpeg
     
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  10. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Big improvement. It looks pretty good now. The focus is way better and the color looks great.
     
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  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Thanks. Over time I hope to improve lighting, but the camera itself is finally adequate (no more cell phone cameras for me). I'm using a Canon Power Shot SX720HS. It's not super high end, but definitely a superior lense and photo sensor than anything you'll find even in the highest end phones.

    Eventually I want to stop using seller photos and replace them all with my own. That will be a long term project.
     
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  12. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, Salient! I have some drachma and (tetradrachma?) I enjoy looking at imagery and comparing the differences. Anyway, I took your first image and messed around with the contrast levels a bit in Photoshop.

    Drachm_adjusted.jpg
     
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  13. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Your third image looks pretty darn good to me. I would be happy with it.

    I use a 30 dollar led light ring on all photos that happens to fit perfectly on the end of my lens. Sometimes I use additional led lights or natural light to supplement it.
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    yeah, looking good now!

    my tet was pretty easy to photograph, late afternoon daylight.

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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Good job. I forgot what camera you use but it certainly is true that some do better wwith very small coins than others. There are things you can do that might help but then we are getting to the point that the photography is more of the hobby than the coin. The 7mm Thasos coin below was done with focus stacking software allowing better control of depth of field. Still, what really helps more than anything on small coins is to have very high grade coins and that is not easy to do at the magnifications in question. This photo suffers badly from dust specks smaller than are easily cleaned off. At a reasonable enlargement, it makes little difference.
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  16. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Doug, that's an impressive photo of such a tiny coin. Great coin too. This photo stacking software sounds interesting but like you say, the point of collecting is not to take pictures. It is fun to share the coins with friends though and have an accurate record.
     
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